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Ruger1

by Ruger1 on 08 December 2010 - 06:12


For whatever it's worth, my male was about 11 lbs at 12 weeks old and was proportional to his size and structure....

               The pics of Lyda look pretty nice to me....JMO

          Deanna...: )

Bundishep

by Bundishep on 08 December 2010 - 07:12

Is it true AKC can ban someone for 10 years,what would they have to do for this? and also is it true a dog linebred 2-3 is the closest that is recommended?

by eichenluft on 08 December 2010 - 08:12

For the SV, the closest linebreeding "allowed" for registration is 2-3.

molly

steve1

by steve1 on 08 December 2010 - 10:12

I have not been posting on this forum for a time now, however i look in occasionally. I have read what the Guys think some in favour some not, However  having never bred a litter of Dogs in 60 years of  keeping them i suppose i really should not put my two pence worth in but i will anyway,
Close inbreeding is fine so long as the Line can take close breeding, some can some cannot.
Now having gone in Close Breeding another species from Mother + Son,  Father +daughter, Brother + sister, Half Brother + Half Sister to quote a few, and in doing so with selection and out crossing to another Inbred Line built up a truly great Family  proven over 20 plus years.
So i cannot see on this occasion what the fuss is all about,
I do not know Hans, or have i ever had any correspondence from him, but i believe him to be a genuine Breeder who would not Jeopardize his Kennel and reputation and then publish it,
I believe him when he says it was a mistaken breeding, it can happen to anyone and he had no reason to mention it anyway. had he chosen not to and he has been upfront in doing so.
For me so long as the Pups are sound and healthy, they can live a life as all other Dogs  cross bred Inbred or otherwise. Plus the little fellows do not know how they came about.
One last thing No one should ever contemplate breeding close with any Species unless they know what they are doing and understand it fully and that takes time, For Inbreeding if continued weakens a line you must know when to bring in a cross and what nature of a cross then you wipe the cross out to carry on the line the cross boosts the line but never dictates it. Now i will leave you Guys in peace and disappear again
Steve1

Judy P

by Judy P on 08 December 2010 - 10:12

I find this post interesting - first off it is more like a witch hunt than anything else.  As Prager said it was an accident pure and simple, they can happen to anyone.  As for the close breeding yes it has been done before by many breeders to test the pedigree for faults or to "lock in" desirable traits   Down the road this will show if there are any problems to beware of. 

It doesn't matter the prce the puppies were sold for as it is between Hans and the puppy buyers not anyone on this list.  There isn't a breeder here that does not sell the puppies they choose not to keep and I doubt many of them are getting rich doing it. 

I have been looking at purchasing a GSD down the road and I have spoken to many of the breeders on this list - not one of you offered to give me a puppy but you did offer to sell one and none of them were cheap.  Personally I would purchase a puppy from Hans without hesitation.

by gucci on 08 December 2010 - 12:12

 Gosh Steve,  good to hear from you, and your wisdom...Did you ever find out who in Belgium bought Pasko V Huhnegrab?...Lida

by Ibrahim on 08 December 2010 - 12:12

 Hopefully as the forum is getting healthier we will see more of Steve1, a source of strong honest opinions and genuine experience. I second Gucci.

Ibrahim

Rik

by Rik on 08 December 2010 - 13:12

Good words Steve.

I, for one, have missed hearing from you and how your dogs are progressing.

Rik

cage

by cage on 08 December 2010 - 13:12

Gustav and Jenni - I totally agree with you.You stated it well.

MaggieMae

by MaggieMae on 08 December 2010 - 15:12

Alboe -- You are sooooo right.  You said everything that needed to be said.





 


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