2008 USA Sieger Show - Page 11

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by Blitzen on 21 April 2008 - 17:04

My apologies to Randy Tyson for unintentionally designating her as a member of the weaker sex


by Blitzen on 21 April 2008 - 17:04

May the best team win.............


Sherman-RanchGSD

by Sherman-RanchGSD on 21 April 2008 - 18:04

**The videos of the protection work at the San Jose 2008 Sieger Show are an embarrassment to the breed and to the USCA Organization as a whole++

 

WHY is a dogs supposed poor performance everyone elses shame? I dont own the dogs, I dont handle them, I didnt put them up front.  If something is amis point fingers at judges with  with their blinders on....dont ask them to come to your events, report things you honestly feel are wrong or against regulations...ranting and acting as if all American German Shepherd dog owners, breeders and exibitors fell off a turnip truck, are a discrace to the breed, the breed is ruined, etc is such BS and overdramatized. JMO

 

Debi


by Dogmom2004 on 21 April 2008 - 18:04

 

The Siger was bred in Germany. 


by Dogmom2004 on 21 April 2008 - 18:04

 

The Siger's mother was bred in Germany and he was born here.  That is not AM bred.


by vonwaldhimmel on 21 April 2008 - 18:04

As the trophy sponsor for the "American Bred" Working Male class - it is disappointing to see dogs that are BRED in Germany get awarded this honor. 

 

How very sad to see someone with $$$$$$$$$ get a trophy for being able to be in a financial position to spend more $$$$$$$$ to send their dogs to Germany to be bred.  I think the GSDCA has a description of what American Bred is .... not the F-1 or 2 .... but dogs that are BRED in America.

 

My V-6 dog was BRED in America.  He is second generation of my breeding program.  His father, while yes he was imported from Germany, lives here and was available for breeding to anyone in the US.

 

We all know how difficult it is to achieve quality breedings in the US vs in Germany.  There is no comparison (unfortunately) in the numbers of great dogs - thus the reason for awarding the breeder for successful breedings IN AMERICA..

 

I have asked Danny S. (WDA) to look into the verbage for this award.  I would like to see USCA come up with something as well.  Maybe if we had a highest German Bred trophy & highest American Bred trophy we would see the problem?!?

 

We need to award this trophy for the right reasons ..... the difficulty to achieve successful breedings here in the US.


by hodie on 21 April 2008 - 19:04

 I also sponsored a trophy for the highest working American bred female and I will be very upset if it did not go to an American bred dog. That means bred and born right here in the United States. But I guess I might not even ever know to whom it went....no one seems to care about sponsors either. And there were damn few of them sadly.


Mystere

by Mystere on 21 April 2008 - 19:04

I have sponsored trophies for each of the USA national events this year, and I have sponsored trophies for most of the USA performance events each year.    I have only been disappointed about doing so once:  the Medina Sieger Show.   The trophy was for High Scoring V-rated (or above) Female.  The criteria was that the bitch had to be trialed in a USA event within one year of the show.   Unfortunately, there was only ONE female elbigible.   The male counterpart trophy had only THREE elgible ( I believe Lars Wilhendorf got it).    Yet, afterwards, some idjot was loudly complaining on the Internet, because the trophy did not go to the VA Sieger, who had NE VER trialed on this side of the pond and had not trialed in about 3 years at that point anyway.  Somebody  is always goiong to whine about who got which trophy.   I agree, though, that the sponsor has first dibs on whining...especially if the trophy is not awarded consistent with the criteria. 

 

"American -bred"  to be just means the dog was born here, but I can certainly see how one could view it, literally, as "physical process of being bred in the USA."   Perhaps what is needed is a trophy for American-bred and a separate one for American-born, to make the distinction clear.  How would the hosts necessarily  know, for example, that a dog's dam was sent out of the coountry to be bred, if the dog's papers say the dog was born in the USA?


by Dogmom2004 on 21 April 2008 - 19:04

Chris you are getting a bit defensive.  No one has mentioned Dawnmarie for quite awhile now-but thanks for reminding me, its almost d-day!! 

Ok back to the topic.


by vonwaldhimmel on 21 April 2008 - 20:04

USCA has no guideline for what "American Bred" is .... yet they award the trophy.  GSDCA does ... yet WDA does not follow it and has none of their own???   I say if you need a FOREIGN registration to register the dog thru AKC .... it couldn't be American Bred :)





 


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