TIEKERHOOK breedings in the USA???? - Page 12

I suppose it would, if this were a thread about titles!  Definitely a "different" perspective.

WORKING a dog to titles means you have experience working/training dogs.  If you do such a thing (work a dog or two to titles) then you have experience - hands-on that is - with drives, temperament, structure, and yes bloodlines that actually work, or don't - from first-hand EXPERIENCE.  Professing knowledge of dogs' temperament, drives, faults and accolades without having any actual hands-on experience with any of it.   IMO bloodline fact and trivia can be "internet armchair learned" but not the nature of the beast - that takes time on the field.  Otherwise information passed is only rumor and second/third hand, not worth the time to read it.

molly

Darylehret,
No worries and no offense taken.  My Female is a super confident, social dog that is great with people, kids, etc.  She is dog aggressive, but I trust her 100 % around people.  She does have some funny personality quirks.  At around a year old she started becoming more dominant with the older dogs that I had and much more possessive.  I used to travel alot for my business so I bought a motor home and would travel with my wife and the three GSDs.  One day when I went to put my female into her crate, she refused to go in.  I got her in the crate and she spun very quickly and exploded to get out, when I reached in to push her away from the door she nailed me on the arm.  She tagged me pretty good and I was completely surprised.  She is my little peanut and I love this dog to pieces, I had never seen aggression like that before from her and rarely since.  But it was definitely there and corrected rather quickly.  I will sometimes get nipped when doing  obedience with her when I take the ball away and she knows she is going back to the car.  She still has the potential to tag me when putting her in a crate if other dogs are out, but she is 10 years old now. 

You are correct again, I was non committal about my female because I can't say anything bad about her.    She is a very nice working dog and I'm sure with a different handler that edge could have been brought out to a much higher degree.  That was not what I wanted from her.  Knowing about that potential in my female and my interest in working lines, whenever I speak to someone or hear about handler aggression I like to check the pedigree.  Now, Yoschy has sired many litters and his progeny has sired / produced many more litters of strong working dogs.  So I guess it stands to reason that some of these dogs will have issues with the wrong handlers.  I doubt that you will get a very close line breeding on Yoschy any more, so perhaps my point is outdated.  I need to remember I'm getting older, but it still seems like yesterday.

Gustav and Molly, I agree with both of you completely.  It is always nice when you both add to a thread.  I enjoy reading your posts.

Vikram, please feel free to chime in anytime you like.

Jim

 Thanks for the invite but I stand by what I said. This is all Internet BS floating around about Yoschy by people who have no clue about the dog. Talk to Martina and she will give you a piece of her mind about what Yoschy produced and what he didn't

cheers

Vikram,
That's it?  You recommend going to talk to some else about the dog?  Since you know so much about him I wanted to hear your experiences with the dog or his progeny.  I really wanted to hear about your experiences working dogs related to Yoschy. 

Well, my opinion of you hasn't changed yet, you have just confirmed what I thought. 

Cheers,

Jim

 I just see a brainless attempt to malign a dog based on grapevine.

Good Luck!!!

Ok, I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone or malign anyones dogs or breeding program.  Let me restate what I said earlier: I do love Nick and Yoschy.  I also really like the combination of Nick / Yoschy in a pedigree, just as I always liked Fero / Mink in a pedigree.  I also really like Tiekerhook dogs.  I just want to clarify that as Vikram has such tunnel vision he doesn't seem to get this.

Darylehret, I saw the pedigree on your dog Hutch and it's awesome.  Good luck with him, he sounds terrific.  I watched the video of Max and Cash eating.  You don't think some one wouldn't have gotten nailed had they try to remove that food bowl?  And would you blame the dog at that point?    I'm glad your dog has nice civil aggression without any handler aggression, seems like my kind of dog. 

Vikram, I hope I made my point very clear so even a dim wit like you can understand it.  Now, since you won't address the other questions I asked you I suppose we're finished. 

Jim

I have never owned a dog that went back to Yoschy - however I've owned plenty that went back to Fero, in fact I owned 3 Fero daughters and 1 Fero son - my foundation lines go directly to Fero via motherlines.  No handler aggression - however they can be "handler hard" and they would not tolerate unfair corrections or abuse from the handler - but not handler aggressive as in dangerous to the handler's health and safety.

I have not personally heard of handler aggression coming from Yoschy or dogs line-bred on him.

The only thing I have "heard" that Yoschy produced that was undesireable (mostly I  heard of the great dogs he produced) was that he could produce smaller sized dogs.

Not much help there - I'm more into my own personal first-hand experience and that of others rather than what I've heard on the internet.

molly