Vet said feeding raw is the worst thing ever for dog - Page 12

i'm not sure why you're so hell bent on photos considering you can't really tell anything since lighting is a factor, and you can light a brillo pad to look shiny.  and i have no idea what a dogs full kennel name has to do with diet.  so here area  few pics......which will look the same as everyone elses considering your computer screen only shows 72 dpi no matter what res you upload.

but just to make you stop crying...(oh, maybe i should run out real quick and wash and groom my dogs and take some new pics?  not.)

here is shepherd von der raw:

     




here is rott vom like to eat meat:



continued...

here is pit von dumped at the shelter.  hey pit, how 'bout some raw meat?



absolutely!

by the way, see his white teeth?  when i took him they were all brown because half were broken and half were rotting.  no dental work needed.


and here is pitty von der vet wanted to amputate busted leg:

     

would you like some raw meat too pitty?



you got it!

not sure what you're going to possibly tell by these pics (oh and of course names), but the last dog was on rimadyl at age 1 from severe arthritis pain.  the vet wanted to amputate her leg after we pulled her from the shelter; she wouldn't put any weight on it.  she's been rimadyl free since i took her, and she runs just as fast as the dogs with the bendable knees.

no promises, but i'll try to look for pics of the 16 year old lap dog with cushings who grew back most of his hair, lost the stains on his white face, and lost the pot belly. 

the dog with the dirty broken teeth - so his teeth DO look nice and clean and white - and not broken.  Does raw diet fix broken teeth too?    And it fixes arthritis (ie boney changes), and broken bones too?????  WOW!!!!  who'da thunk.  (Bullshit)

Do I have to share the many pictures of perfectly healthy 18 year old dogs fed Kibbles and Bits and Dog Chow their entire lives, again?  The boxer with the see-yourself-in coat fed Science Diet?   The 11 year old dogs with pristine white teeth who have never seen the doggie dentist chair? 

molly

molly, the only bullshit here is your attitude.

his broken teeth aren't fixed, but his mouth is no longer rotting and brown with a nasty stench.  if you've ever seen a dog with multiple rotting teeth, you should know what i'm talking about.  i'll ask him to lift his upper lip next time he smiles.

and her broken bones aren't fixed either.  her leg was broken in 3 places and never set.  her knee is calcified over.  raw food didn't cure her arthritis, but it sure as hell helped (without additional supplements).  and it's helped enough that she can function as a normal dog and run.  does it flair up?  yeah, in the winter when she has to walk through snow.  but once she gets inside, she's back to normal. 

if you want to keep feeding your "perfect" dogs with kibbles and shits, please, go right ahead.  but don't think you're going to tell me raw feeding is bullshit, lol.

Yep
The tone of your posts have changed you are are in a bit of a temper, Cannot say for why.
Note, i have never downed any dog fed RAW in any post, you have downed my shit eaters as you call them, However the Dogs in the pic's look healthy enough no different from the Kibble fed dogs including mine
However just one little point you may look at, could be the pic's as you say but the noses of the Dogs look very dry, they should be moist or a little more colour, there may be an element missing somewhere albeit small, and that is not meant to be funny or sarcastic, something i could see in every Pic
Steve1

I don't have a problem with raw-feeding.  I don't care if you or anyone else feeds their dog a balanced raw diet.  I do care when people spout bullshit and make completely assinine claims (and false ones) that their raw-fed dogs live longer, nicer/cleaner/thicker/softer/shinier coats, have less vet bills, health problems, ,cleaner teeth, and all sorts of terrible maladies are cured due to their feeding raw.  That is all bullshit.

I run a boarding kennel, and anyone who has dealt with many dogs of various breeds and ages and owners will tell you that the majority of dogs are fed 'crap' kibble food.  And the majority of these 'crap' kibble fed dogs are absolutely fine, healthy, and live long normal lives.

No dog lives much longer than 14-18 years, no matter how great their diet or vet care is or who their owner is.  I have many elderly dogs boarding here who are 14-18 years old, whose only health problem is due to old age (not due to nutrition) who have been fed Kibbles and Bits, Old Roy or Pedigree their whole lives.

My own dog who lived to 16 with zero health problems (and he never had his teeth cleaned either) was fed Dog Chow his entire life.  Now my dogs eat a much better kibble diet, but I doubt they will live longer than that, no matter the diet I choose to feed them.

Raw is not a miracle diet.   Dogs that are healthy will do perfectly fine on any balanced diet, raw or kibble.  Dogs with health problems can do better on one or the other depending on the problem involved -  It's just a diet that owners can choose to feed their dogs if they want to.  Stop making claims that are not proven and not true!  It is a choice that needs to be made with lots of thought, time and effort in learning to balance the raw diet.  A non-balanced raw diet can and WILL harm the dog.

molly

Before my mom, or me for that matter, knew anything about dog nutrition we use to feed our dogs Sturdy dog food or Pedigree.
My mom had a black lab/ golden retriever cross that lived to be a little over 18 years old. He was fed Sturdy for part of his life and then Iams for the rest of it. He would go on a 2+ mile run everyday with my mom in her electric wheelchair. He did this until a couple days before he died. He was fed a crappy food for his whole life.  
Here he is at 13..


Here he is at almost 18 years old...


I now feed a much better quality kibble. My mom does also.

  I have fed quality kibble and balanced raw and see some major differences on raw with some of my dogs.  My girl, Strut vom Eichenluft SchH2,  was raised on a mixture of Nature's Variety Prairie, TOTW and Orijen along with raw and now is on Nature's Variety Raw---the premixed patties of Venison, Lamb, or Rabbit primarily and some eggs and raw meat as well.  She is hard as a rock but the really big difference is her stool which got too soft sometimes on kibble.  Also her nose became mottled last summer and now on all raw is again solid black.  Sea meal did not correct it but the all raw did.  My mature boys, Polo, Berro and Chip, are given Orijen and raw and all do extremely well with that combination.  The Nature's Variety raw is EXTREMELY pricey or I would have all of them on that along with purchased meat.  I am fortunate in Northern, Indiana as I can get 30 lbs of turkey necks for $25 and yesterday picked up 20 lbs each of beef liver and hearts for $30 from a local butcher and they throw in ground bone and meat for nothing.  I do boil up some of the liver and hearts to use as tracking bait as the raw version of that would be awful in my pockets :-O.  Barb

I haven't been on this thread for a while and see I have left a question unanswered from ggturner. I apologize for missing your question. Here is your answer:  The name of the person is Bill Piechocki. Although Bill is not an animal nutritionist (my misunderstanding), you will see he definitely has solid credentials. Bill received his degree in Animal Science at Albert University, NY.  He has been in the animal industry for 40 years.  He has been a manufacturers rep for Science Diet, Purina, Iams, etc.... so he knows better than anyone what goes into that food.  He has setup numerous programs for show breeders, kennels, and wildlife refugees. Bill presently works closely with Dr. Diane Sudduth. Dr. Diane Sudduth has a DVM as well as master’s degree in Parasitology and Public Health. She also served as a Veterinary Medical Officer for the FDA and USDA for 10 years. The two of them are adamant about the fact, that in their opinion, based on valid facts, there is nothing better to feed than a well-balanced raw diet to promote optimum health and longevity.

I think the raw feeders and kibble feeders just need to let this go and agree to disagree. I don't either "side" will convince the "other side" to change. THe good thing is that we all want to do what is right for our dogs.