Dog aggression - Page 2

Motion, I couldn't have said it better. Shacking the "snot" out of a dog just doesn't sound good and if you don't have an aggressive dog now, you may end up with one with that training advice.

I can't even begin to comment on shaking a pup till snot bubbles come out of it's nose. Makes me think of shaken baby syndrome. I would strongly advise against that type of correction. Jim

If she was just imported I would not stress over this yet.  Take time to develop a bond before throwing her in front of a bunch of new dogs.  It doesn't matter if the breeder insists she was OK with other dogs before, what you have is what you have.  So far all of my GSDs have gone through this phase from about 6-8 months of age, throwing a fit towards other dogs (besides my own, I've never had a dog fight).  Honestly I don't make a big deal of it.  IMO at 6 months they aren't really old enough/mature enough yet to really get on their butts with stern corrections, especially a dog you just got.  For a few months I just avoid other dogs and work on developing more of a bond and working relationship with the dog (more of a mature, mutual trust rather than the puppy love).  Then around 8 months or so when I start introducing the prong collar if they are ready, one of the first things I teach them with a prong collar and more compulsion is that platz means platz and I bring in some neutral dogs to set this up.  In every case, my dogs have outgrown this reactive frenzy toward other dogs by about 10 months.  My 3 year old male used to get so worked up and have fits around other dogs, but he passed his CGC easily at 10 months old (which includes and exercise wher they heel up face to face with another dog, for those who aren't familiar).  He is under my control off lead with other dogs around.  He doesn't necessarily want to interact with them but he pays them no mind.  IMO the GSD is not a "dog park" dog and should not be expected to tolerate any strange dog or even want to be friends with other dogs but the main thing is that your dog trusts you and you can maintain control.  I'm not into "flooding" (taking the dog and putting it in front of other dogs repeatedly either as an attempt to desensitize it or use corrections to obtain control), I just kind of let the dog grow up without always pressuring it to deal with other dogs, and then when it is ready for real corrections and prong collar, we nip it in the bud.

the first thing I ask people who say the dog does that is ''does it have its hair up'' the answer is generally yes. the key to solving any problem is identifying what it is ,certainly not coming up with ''better corrections'' a correction based dynamic is ineffective at best at worst creates a dog who fears the handler sans inundating the dog with what you do want it to do i.e. down or whatever no amount of correcting will be effective, the cliche example ''knee it in the chest if it jumps up'' young shepherds are notoriously ridiculous acting and have a tendency towatds over reacting to things ,being ''attacked '' by the handler certainly would not fix the problem. If the problem is unsureness the best fix is socialzation around the right type dogs ,dogs who are ''in balance'' and will ignore the ridiculous behavior eventually it resolves if not serious obedience training that showers the dog with the right things to do not corrects corrects corrects. food based training that teaches the dog to focus on you not one where its waiting for the next ''attack'' from you

gsdlvr4life,
your six month old dog that you have only had for three weeks is not a puppy for starters.
No matter what the breeder did, you have not properly socialized your dog to other dogs, your dogs, or people.
Also you have allowed the pup to bond only with yourself which is a mistake.

Do not ever shake a puppy or an adolescent dog, how idiotic !

Socialize.
You need more time to do this, three weeks is not enough by a long shot.

Your family needs to be more involved in the handling and care of this dog.

Your dogs need time to work out a new pecking order.

Socializing is going to be much harder now but it is the second most important thing you must always work on, it never really ends if you plan on mixing in public with other dogs and people.

Obedience is the first most important thing you must work on with a six month old dog, this does not involve shaking, and it will take more than treats.

Moons.

Alright ! Lets liven this up a little.

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	Motion, I couldn't have said it better. Shacking the "snot" out of a dog just doesn't sound good and if you don't have an aggressive dog now, you may end up with one with that training advice.

Since you have obviously never used this method, please go ahead and tell me why it would not work, and more importantly, tell us how the dog "may" end up aggressive from that method. 

Jimmy here cannot comment, mostly because he doesn't know, but goes ahead and comments in a really stupid manner, lets take a look shall we ??

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I can't even begin to comment on shaking a pup till snot bubbles come out of it's nose. Makes me think of shaken baby syndrome. I would strongly advise against that type of correction. Jim

As we all know, puppies actually have control of their heads and necks, unlike babies, who have very little control. But that didn't stop Jimmy from makiing assumptions ! Nice job Jimmy, you really are showing how little you know about actual dog training !

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I am no expert and many people may say I'm wrong, but this sounds more like a fear reaction than aggression.

Guess why we call defense fear ?? LOL That is where aggression comes from. This is a good example for those that are confused about fear being the trigger for defense. : )

Here is another good one.

Well I guess PDB will soon only give us 140 characters to work with. 

Jeff, dont know why are you barking down Jim's neck; but I would like to bark on this one:


Quote Lief : "....will ignore the ridiculous behavior eventually it resolves if not serious obedience training that showers the dog with the right things to do not corrects corrects corrects. food based training that teaches the dog to focus on you not one where its waiting for the next ''attack'' ..."

And this comes from a person who puts an e-collar on an 8week old pup to teach the come! (and on many other pups for simple obedience when one looks through her 3000+ videos on e-collar training on youtube) blech

       So i guess what i am asking is how do i curb this without killing her drive?

This is why I stopped trying to help with training problems here, obedience does not kill drive.
A shocking collar surely will.

And what is more important with any dog?
Obedience.

There are too many crackpots out there with bad advice and foolishness.
And far too many idiots with dogs who should stick to pet rocks.



Moons.

 

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This is why I stopped trying to help with training problems here, obedience does not kill drive. A shocking collar surely will.

See what I mean ? As everyone knows, a "shocking collar" can only be set on a high setting, and thusly, kills drive. Nevermind the thousands of field trial Labs that perform at levels way above what most people could ever hope to achieve, as I guess it takes no drive at all to perform in a field trial.

I see that no one has actually answered my first question, but would prefer to inflict upon us their opinion of someone else's training, not and God forbid, actually answer a question. 

Maybe in the future, when someone has a training problem, you could just type BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA instead.