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by eichenluft on 20 November 2009 - 16:11

so it could carry blue.  I see.  That could make sense with the statement I heard from a Koermeister once in answer to the question "why should you not breed black to black" - his answer was, recessive color (black) is more likely to carry the dilute (recessive) colors of blue, liver and white - therefore you should not breed black to black unless the possibilities of dilutes are a known factor.  He did not mention light eyes.  I have heard that some judges think light eyes are an indication of poor nerve-strength in the genes - I personally think that is BS.

molly

Jackal73

by Jackal73 on 20 November 2009 - 17:11

 Thanks eichenluft and malshep!  It's reassuring to hear others say he's black -- though I know there are no guarantees with health.  It's also good to know for the future, because I intend to get another dog in a couple of years time, and I now know to avoid blue specifically on the rare possibility it should come up. Falco is a handsome lad in my opinion, and I was attracted by his dark colouration because it was different from my previous dog (who was a blanket black and red).   He does have tan splashes on his pasterns, and between his toes and the insides of his back legs (which you can just see in the second photo if you look closely).  I consequently wasn't certain if he'd classify as black or bi-colour since I'm not an expert, but as I said I wasn't too concerned about colour.  Otherwise he's nice -- big (35 kg)  without being oversized, proportionate, strong, and both agile and quick on his feet so I have no complaints about his physical condition.

Hundguy

by Hundguy on 21 November 2009 - 04:11

Jackal, your dog is black with yellow eye, some call it bird eye when it gets really yellow. It is actually not that hard to tell once you see a few blacks. I'm about 3 training lessons in with a blue GSD.. The first visit I thought his color was off and told the owners to check him for worms. I have seen dogs with dead coat that were black but needed some health issues cleared up. But it is for sure an off color, which your dog is not.. Happy Training.


Best Regards,
Dennis Johnson
www.johnsonhaus.com

mahon

by mahon on 21 November 2009 - 05:11

The puppies in the ad are LIVER/TAN with blue eyes that will become amber to a light gold.

These pups are popping up in the best of lines and everywhere else in between.

The question is not how but why ? It is because people are not disclosing that it is

in thier bloodlines. I personally sold mine for pets with out papers of any kind for $ 400.00 each.

They went to friends and are very nice dogs. I did not want them in a registered breeding program.

They need to come up with a DNA marker for the gene and then it can be removed over time.

Not likely to happen soon but possible. Until then spay or neuter or sell without papers. Pretty simple !

just my thoughts, mahon

CrysBuck25

by CrysBuck25 on 21 November 2009 - 19:11

Jackal...I agree...Don't think your dog is a blue, either. 

He does have a bluish tinge in his coat, but I think the reason is the lighting, and the camera's settings.  I can alter color in my camera, change exposure and other stuff, and the picture will come out looking differently.  I have no reason to, but that's just something I noticed while working with my camera.

He's nice and shiny, and I'm wondering if the blue color is reflecting from the sky?  Nice looking dog, either way, and bless you for taking a rescue/shelter dog and giving him a good home!

Crys

Jackal73

by Jackal73 on 22 November 2009 - 05:11

 Thanks  for the feedback Hundguy and CrysBuck25!

your dog is black with yellow eye, some call it bird eye when it gets really yellow

That's what I initially thought because I've heard it referred to as "eagle eye", but then as I was reading people seemed to be using the definition that yellow eyes on a black dog meant it was a really dark blue.  I didn't think the two traits were necessarily linked, and it's nice to have that confirmed.

I'm wondering if the blue color is reflecting from the sky

It's possible even though it was fairly overcast that day.  I don't know anything about the camera settings because a friend took the picture with his pricey new camera.  The technology is pretty amazing -- he was photographing the dog from 4-5 m away, and on some pictures you can clearly see a mosquito that had landed on the dog's nose!

Nice looking dog

Thanks, I think so too, though I know I'm biased. :)

bless you for taking a rescue/shelter dog and giving him a good home!

Thanks!  Since the dog is primarily a companion I don't have strict requirements for working ability, etc. so I feel like I got a really good deal on a nice dog by adopting ($250 for the dog, neuter, and complete shots).  Granted, this boy has some issues to work through, but my previous two dogs were also GSD and also adopted, and the most recent was "The World's Most Perfect Dog Ever".  I couldn't have asked for a more perfect friend and working companion, and if the current guy becomes even half the dog his predecessor was I'll be happy.  We've actually made really good progress lately, so aside from some training issues I don't have any complaints!



pod

by pod on 22 November 2009 - 08:11

Eye colour is determined by genes that are specific to eye shade but it's also influenced by two (known so far) coat colour genes and these are B - brown locus and D - dilute.  So a dog that has brown (liver), blue or lilac pigment will have a lighter eye shade than he would have had if he had been black pigmented.

The coat pattern genes do not influence eye shade at all.  So it matters not if the dog happens to be a solid black, a light B&T, or a sable, or even a white.  So long as the nose pigment is black, he will have the darkest eye possible for that which is determined by his genes specific to eye shade.

There are also other genes that influence eye colour.  One causes uni or bi blue eye as in the Siberian Husky, and this is true blue, not the baby blue in puppies which appears blue only because pigment migration is incomplete.  Also blue eye can be caused by missing pigment under the influence of white spotting genes, as in the Dalmatian, Panda Shepherd and numerous other breeds with extensive white on the facial region.





 


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