Showing German at an Ameraican Show - Page 5

From Marilyn Smith, to Blitzen:

"Why would I need to intimidate anyone? I am not asking you to buy my dogs. I don't even have litters very often. If you don't like them, don't breed to them, don't buy them and don't show under my husband. We were trying to educate.  If you want to show in the American ring, you have to show a dog that:

a - looks to be in the condition that the other American dogs in the ring are;

and b - presents itself in a way that American dogs present itself.

Do not bring a dog to an AKC show that is running at your side, is butt-high an has no front and say, 'Well, it has great structure.'  If the judge can't see the structure, he/she can't judge it."

Regarding the puppy named Onyx, whose owner asked for a critique from Dan:

"A very attractive dog standing. The problem is he has to be able to move with the dogs in the ring with him. Right now, it looks like maybe you want to give it a try. You're dealing with two problems, forget that he is German. You are dealing with black. You need to find judges who like black. That's not everyone.  If you need a list, email us and we'll give it to you. Darbdan@aol.com

I respect their honesty on 1) must move like other American dogs do, and 2) present itself the way American dogs do. The world knows that the American show dog has evolved into another breed that is centered around sidegait and not working. Not be negative or judgemental just stating the obvious to all throughout the world. But in respect to the founder of the breed and the founding organization to the breed, GSDCA should petition that the name of this dog be changed to American shepherd. Then the breed standard can be adhered to in ring and field. The working dogs be GS as was originally intended and the AS can be the sidegaiting soft dog that has evolved.JMO

Hi, Dr. Goldfarb is our judge for our WDA show in May. He is a very good judge and truly a southern gentleman. He is a class act and I would tell anyone to use him for your shows.

When you talk about politics it's just as bad in Germany.

Thanks for you input and don't let them discourge you! We'll keep showing our 'correct' dogs and maybe it will make a difference.

Pat

Well, I read them all......thanks for the input.

I have belonged to an AKC club for over 20 years and have bred an AM. CH....was pretty easy even though she was 1/2 + 1/2. I know most of these judges......Dr. Goldfarb is by far the nicest and he is very knowledgeable. Truly a southern gentlemen. He is doing our show in May and I am already receiving good comments.

Some of the other judges have imported German dogs, but still do not have the courage to 'put them up' in the AKC ring. As far as Jimmy goes - it's time for him to go. He can't really show a dog that well anymore and as far as I am concerned he is doing a disservice to the breed. No one wants to go up against him and quite frankly I have seen some of the dogs he shows and their temperament is iffy. Not one judge has the b---s to put up a better dog. Not that Jimmy shows bad dogs, but some are not that hot.

At our show one year we had several German dogs that entered, even though it was a "GSD Speciality". The handlers and dogs were treated poorly and I was completely disgusted. Poor sportsmanship and awful manners. But we need to keep showing our sound German  dogs and maybe, just maybe we can make a difference.

For anyone interested, there are a couple of Yahoo groups email lists devoted to the likes and dislikes of AKC judges.  You may be able to find out if a certain judge will be more amenable to a German import from this list:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9judge_mental/

Micky D

One last comment - honest!

The judges in this country think the German dogs have bad fronts and roach backs.....have they ever seen Yasko move? He moves beautiful. Some of the American dogs literally slap the air their shoulder is so open. I personally don't see many roached backs either anymore. But I sure see alot of lousy rears in the AKC ring. Who in the world thinks that  a dog that walks on his hock is attractive? The American public can't seem to understand it either.Go to a big all breed show and lister the the comments from the public. At least the Germans corrected the roach and it was only around for a short time. I still those cripples and the judges keep putting them up.

Too bad the American judges can only judge on 'side gait'. They have completely forgotten temperament and so many other important things. Some day I am going to go to a specialty show and shoot off a gun just to see how sound the neves are in that ring.......

How well do any of you think a top winning  Am lines dog would do at the Sieger or NASS?

Hi Blitzen,

Probably not very well at all and let's not forget, oh they would have to be titled.  LOL

It's just two different worlds and sad that it has split so far and not just how the dogs look.  The split between American and German.  Also talking the split between German show and German working lines. 

Blitzen, if you follow the German parent club's regulations, dogs that are not titled or breed surveyed, do not receive pink papers.  If you for example bred a female that was titled but not breed surveyed to a titled, breed surveyed male, the litter would have "white" papers.  I believe I am correct here.  What you are looking for are unbroken pedigrees of titled, conformation rated and breed surveyed animals.  Once it is broken, it is impossible to take that beautiful puppy to the top and make it into a "breeding" animal.  It goes so far that if parent animals of a particular dog are not breed surveyed by a German SV judge, this may have an effect on if the dog can go VA or not. 

Your German dog, even if untitled, not OFA'd or similar hip/elbow checks,  or coming from a non-conform "German Parent Club" pedigree has a much better chance to finish in the AKC ring, as proven by Jim and Esko. 

Assume the top 10 winning Am lines GSD's (or the GSD's that were shown at the Garden this year) were put into a ring with the VA's from last year's NASS. How do you think they would compare? I realize that may be a difficult question to answer since most with imports don't look at Am lines and vice versa. I was a big fan of Dallas and often thought he could probably have held his own competing against some of the best from Germany.