any pics from the usa sieger show in san jose? - Page 6

Don't blame the showline dogs themselves for piss poor training and corrupt, money hungry breeders and political, self serving organizations.

The reason so many SL dogs suck at the work is because top SL breeders don't need to care. It's such an injustice to the dogs, it makes me sad.

And why do they not NEED to care? Because 90% of their puppies are sold as very posh pets. $2500-4500+ on limited registration, why? Because the masses are asses.

How about we start educating the public, start a donation pot and take out a nice glossy ad in all the national dog magazines where all the big money breeders peddle their puppies. The public is brainwashed into thinking because its an import or import lines, it must be worth 2 or 3 mortgage payments.

Welcome to the dark side, wanderer.

Wanderer:  My thoughts exactly.  I look at my sable working line male and appreciate his honesty and enthusiasm in the work, such a joy to train,  which in my eyes is everything.  Pretty is as pretty does.

 It is NOT and should NOT be about whether one has SL dogs or WL dogs. A good dog is a good dog. A dog with working ability needs a competent trainer and handler and decoy. There are plenty of excellent show line dogs who do not have the good fortune to have competent training. There are also plenty of very nice looking WL dogs who do not show well because they do not have the good fortune to have a handler to show them to their best advantage (and that includes conditioning). Those who continue to perpetuate the division, simply to create a division, do a disservice to the breed as well. In a perfect world most GSDs born would be born with correct temperament, good health, excellent working ability, and proper structure. Most people don't know how these are defined. Just look at every ad posted here to see how almost 100% of the advertised pups, in particular, are suitable for every activity under the sun. It is about money and money alone for all too many.

Hodie,  I appreciate your insight and your comments. I am sure they come from years of personal experience(and I mean that in a good way).

I have been in email with several people through out the day that are just as outraged as the majority. I have been cautioned, that I shouldn't stir the pot,  that speaking out will not do any good, UScA will not change things..due to the financial gains of the SS, and that if I do enjoy banging my head into the proverbial brick wall, then Hell, have at it.

In all honestly, I cannot sit back and just accept that this is the way it is. It is WRONG! It is unacceptable, and I for one will not let it go by and accept it as status quo.

This has gone on entirely too long with people accepting it. One voice can start an avalanche. Many voices can bring a mountain down.

My gripe is that the judging was highly inconsistent and the rules were NOT followed. Yes, it matters that the dogs NEED training, NEED better genetics, but we have allowed all these things, either by burying our heads in the sand, or thinking we can't change it. WHY? can't we change it???

I repeat here what I have said so many times today I have lost count, This is not a show line vs working line debate, THIS IS A GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG issue. This is something that affects us all, just as much as the other "inquiries" you stated above.

Yes, we all know that out of the videos we saw, only three dogs were good and deserved the pronounced and outs. Let's get over the performance and talk about the important issue, WHY this was allowed to happen????

I have every intention of writing letters to the UScA as well as to the magazine. As stated above by another poster (my apologies for not remembering whom it was that said this) we NEED to write letters, we need to complain.

Dee Clark, Haus Mansfield, Proud owner of an SG showline that  IS pronounced

I hope you do not mind, Lonewulf, but I am putting the YouTube links up on another GSD forum.  I feel these videos should be shared and shown to as many as possible.  Thank you for taking them.

I didn't get to watch all of them either, only because I did find it rather painful at times! 

My question is, why are do overs allowed?

There is a division and there always will be. A good dog is a good dog but point out a workingline event where the dogs are blatently not ready to compete. Those sick of the circus, will hopefully turn to the workinglines and not abandon the breed alltogether. I'm actually ashamed to share the breed name with this crap. Some of those dogs didn't even look like German Shepherds, small lumbering Wooly Mamoth anyone? Some of those chests are so deep, they are skimming the ground. It's no wonder they bloat if you look at them sideways. You guys would shit yourselves knowing I give my dogs water as soon as we get back from a run or playing ball. I always have and never lost a dog. How messed up is that, to be a dog that can't drink when your hot and thristy? Can't eat yet Fiddo, you just walked around the block. What the hell are we breeding here?

You can cry foul about training all you want but even an untrained dog can have courage.

Rezkat5,

The rules state you have THREE count them THREE attempts to heel to the blind. WHY  does a trained and "titled" dog NEED three attempts. You also are allowed three outs. (It is the same as it is at the breed survey) Apparently, at this show three outs weren't needed because you could pull the dog off the sleeve if he doesn't out and still get a pronounced and out!

They have added a few new rules to the performance test as well, you can NOW race your dog to the attack out of the blind. Plus you can slap your dog on the side as you send him to the attack out of the blind.

Sorry for my sarcasm, that happens when my normally extremely low blood pressure rises and bursts blood vessels in my head.