Speechless - Page 6

sueincc I'm sure glad your back, I missed your knowelege..........thank you for giving us another try.

I read something a while ago that Hitler thought white shepherds were too easy to see especially at night. He wanted these dogs as border patrol dogs so  he had the breed standard changed to exclude them. There are so many stories, its difficult to find the truth sometimes.

Cate you and others like you are good ambassadors.  Unfortunately for a long time in the USA, the overwhelming majority of white GSDs, like American line GSDs, simply were not capable of competing or titling because, as you say, for so long in this country, whites have been bred by illegitimate breeders who don't care a whit for anything but color.  Thanks to people like you who realize the emphasis must be on breeding sound dogs who can work, rather than unique and "rare" colored couch potatoes/lawn ornaments, things are changing.  

I have no problem with off colored dogs if they can work.  I have a problem with "breeders" who's breeding stock has obviously been selected on the basis of the color they will throw.

The only thing that i can add to the above Is
NEVER breed from a Dog unless it is to better the Breed
NEVER breed from a Dog just to make Money
Was this worth me putting it in Print,
NO' I waste my time, Most people breed Dogs only for Money, few do it to better the breed, that is why we have all these Panda types, Cow Hocked, Roach Backed German Shepherds around, Will things change for the Better,
Perhaps when the greedy find they are not selling so many so called German Shepherd Dogs
Am i speechless, NO' am i Sad YES'
Steve

Cate,

   You truly hit the nail on the head! It IS about the work. Clubs (and their members) simply don't want to waste very limited club time and resources. So, if a handler demonstrates that he/she is a worker and willing to put in the effort, club members will do everything they cn to assist, regardless of the color, breed, or "assets" of the dog. Generally, people are encouraged to work their dogs to the best of their ability, as well as the dog's. 

   Frankly, the sole white gsd I have seen on the schutzhund field was probably the best-working dog in that particular club. :-) I was sorry that his handler decide that she just did not want to spend the time it takes to title a dog. 

    I am glad that you are willing to put in the time, and look forward to cheering you on when you trial.

Hey Sue!! Good to "see" ya again!! I hope you plan to attend the Nationals, too!

Sue it is good to see you again.  I have been wondering about you.  LDD sorta reminds me of Shepherd Woman............not willing to any reason and if it's not within the standard and she likes it then it must be right................

Thanks guys,  for welcoming me back, I missed you too!

Woo Hoo Sue!!!!!  Boy am I glad you're back.

Hey Sue, good to see you.   Hope to see some more of your input. 

john

Sue, you stated: 

I saw not too long ago where the breeder was all about nothing but off colors and LDD was praising for their beautiful dogs (all of which had substandard conformation, their sole criteria is off colors, etc.).

I did say the poster's dogs were beautiful -  on review - I hold that position - they were lovely looking - but where is your evidence of their substandard confirmation from the photos she posted? They're basicall just head shots. I don't know how you can say they had substandard confirmation from the photos she posted. 

And you neglected to add that I also said quite clearly inn the same post: ""I agree with Uber Land - health and quality, tests and proper breeding practices need to be followed by all breeders, but color as a disqualification is a disservice to the breed overall. "

If you're going to try to argue, it would be great if you would do so without the intellectual dishonesty.


You also said:

if you actually knew what you were talking about instead of making up shit and talking out of your ass, of course it does make for a handy excuse.

If you're going to try to argue, I suggest you do so with fact, rather than personal attaks such as the above ad hominem.  Before you left, I pointed out that your posts were clearly targetting me with personal attaks - I hope your new arrival will bring a fresh approach. 

It appears Ceph can attest to the color bias that is in the sport titling field - and while she chose to continue
I suspect many would not. Since there ARE fewer whites than others, the fact there are fewer getting titles cannot be discounted, and since Mystere also had at least some evidence of working ability of a white in her experience, I don't think much else needs to be said in terms of the ability of white GSDs to work.
 
Clearly, no one is saying to breed a substandard dog of any color - only that coloralone  ought not be a criteria for breed  standards. 

A purple GSD who had no HD, who could work until the cows came home (if you pardon the obvious double entendre) who's confirmaton was perfect, who had a perfect temperament, who's intelligence was far greater than most, and who could live to be 25 years old in perfect health, who's bloodline would assist the GSD breed in so many ways, would be banned from breeding because of color?  Not in my opinion. 

And there's the rub - I am tolerant of your opinions, even though I disagree with them.

Many here are not tolerant of my opinions regarding  color bias in some fo the GSD community. 

The definition of bigot is

"A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable."

Appropriate debate on issues is great - personal attasks and screaming and intolerance for other's views are bullying and bigotry. 

That is unnacceptable behavior, in my view - and it reduces and discourages others from posting.