Steve1, I am with you on the WUSV Como performance now - Page 6

Hey Ceddyg,i am not sure what is the reason you are trying to explain to me your tricks to teach the dog to aim to the centre.Or your reason to brag how many dogs you have trained.

All i am saying is that it does not matter what and where you have trained the dog to aim or to bite if the decoy moves the target how a dog supposed to bite it right.

I am pretty sure that someone of your expertise can understand that.

If not then please bring me these so called dogs you speak of that you have trained anfd let me give him a bite and we 'll see how your dog bites it properly.

you are an expert decoy and i am not and i would still make your dog bite wrong.Have a nice one.

The day you choose to stop learning from others is the day you should stop training dogs. No one knows everything, and sometimes you can learn a great deal from someone totally new to the sport. We learn more by our mistakes than our success. It takes one failure to learn something new, but in success we learn nothing as we are assure that we know everything. My father said to me when I was very young, the day you will wake up and realize that you know nothing will be the first day you learned something.

Steve, there are plenty good trainers in the USA one thing you can be sure you should not judge level of trainers in here by watching youtube videos, most of the great trainers that I met never posted a single video on youtube of their training. They don't need it as they don't need to be assure by other people that they are good at what they do. That's something that we rookies do, to boost our ego as it was mention in previous post.

We choose to import different judges, trainers to learn not because we are not good enough, but there is always one more thing to learn from someone else, especially from people that you don't get a chance to watch or train with everyday. Some of the world best training teams are in USA, so this should tell you something. Another reason why we import these judges and trainers is because we have money to do it. Flying in a judge is not a big expense even local clubs do it same goes for helpers and trainers if the club wants it bad enough.

I always believed that you get 3 helpers together and the only thing they will agree on is the mistakes of the 4th one. :) So since it appears that many helpers don't see nothing wrong with the helper work I will take their world for it, as they are more experience than me. I agree with their point that dog of that caliber should know how to deal with bad presentation, sure it's not something I would put my dog through, but I am not a world competitor. These dogs are consider to be the best of the best, so it should be expected more out of them. Plus I am the kind of person that dose not believe in making excuses for my dogs.

Saying all that I still don't like the way that helper worked the dog lol ;) but that's my opinion and opinions are like assholes we all got one and they all stink ;)

What we all should have learned is to train our dogs for all types of sleeve presentations




This above statement is the most stupid statement ever.The bite bar for target bite is only in one place on the sleeve if you move that target the dog will never bite the target and bite everywhere else.

the statement in question came from a so called expert decoy. WOW. Have a nice one.

Snaiper
 No one is making excuses for the Dogs and i am not going on dogs watched on you tube i attend 20 plus Competitions a year at least, another one this Sunday in the Netherlands, I sure know what i am looking at and If not,  its best i pack up the sport and find some other hobby Best you stick to your own conclusions and i will stay with mine, some of you are not going to give way you stick together like Glue and i sure will not, so as i said call it quits for nothing will come out of it in the end, Judron and myself have agreed but some of you are hell bent on carrying on
What about the people watching the event live like myself do they not count or are they put in the same category as myself someone who does not know what they are looking at for acording to the guys here they did not including a few of the competitors who were also watching at the time i was and i do not mean Belgium ones
Were the three in question at Krefeld OR did they view videos on You Tube if they did no notice should be taken of videos on you tube, your words
One thing you can learn by videos is you can play it back and watch for finer points i picked up on quiet a few which did escape the powers to be judging, i.e the Stand a Dog is not supposed to move it has to stand exactly as it stops not move even one foot but many did but were not penalized for doing so just one little point you can see as an illustration
Steve1

What we all should have learned is to train our dogs for all types of sleeve presentations

at the risk of beating a dead horse or encouraging others to keep arguing.  This is what should be the take home message for everyone. 

It is not a stupid comment or even an impractical comment.  People all over train their dogs for different scenerios and sleeve presentations.  Just by teaching the dog to target in front of the helper rather than at the sleeve and setting your dog up to head the off the escape rather than "chase" will put your dog in a much better position to get a good target and bite.

Como is a young dog that we will no dought see in the trial arena for several more years  and I would think he will only get better with age (not that there is anything wrong with him now) There is no reason to get caught up in this pissing match "you pays yer money you takes yer chances" maybe next time it will be another dog that gets a questionable presentation and we will see how that dog handles it. I saw a young dog on 2 young strong helpers I can,t catch dogs,can,t run from dogs, nor would I try and I have the deepest respect for those that do weather they use bite pants and sleeves or a linnen suit  you all have my respect and the helpers in question and the dog all have shown that they deserve to be there by there work ethic and training. 

The thing I found most impressive (you might think me strange) is that Como Checked each blind as he ran. I find to many dogs even at this level just run blinds to get to #6 and Como checks each blind as he passes I like that. I like his long bite and  his attack in the back transport. I just like the dog.    

Bob
You are correct there is no point in getting into a pissing match for it does not serve any purpose and peoples minds will remain the same as before it started, all really a waste of everyones time, as all threads die away in the end
Steve1

Held,
The point of that i was addressing that you statement that know one trains for things like this to occur. We do here is my point. Also you might want to read my posts again. I never once said i trained any dog. I simply said i worked them not trained them.Big big difference but maybe you haven't figured that out yet. Anyways i didn't intent this to be a im better than you post or i can do this and you can't post.  Take my thought for whatever its worth to you of just think of me a idiot either way ill still train my dog and hope to improve each day.

 

Ceddyg