Pups sold on limited or full registration - difference is price? - Page 7

I personally would not buy a pup on limited registration.  My take on it is that once I put down the money, it belongs to me, end of story.  If the breeder is good and knows what they are doing, then they will be a part of the dog's future, I would be stupid not to take advantage of their knowledge and experience.   That being said though, It is my decision as to the future of a pup that I have purchaced and, while thoughts and suggestions are highly welcome, the final word has to be mine.

Trafalgar,  You should read my FIRST post again,  I said nothing about sueincc in my first post,  She started in on me,  I let her have it right back,   wish I could meet the cow some day face to face,  see if her mouth truly is as big as she makes it here.

Suincc,  I got caught in a lie ??  What Lie ??  your retarted !!    You and I will NEVER agree on anything,  Your backwards and insideout in most of your "logic?"    IT's the absolute SHITS when I come into a conversation with my first post and YOU jump all over it  with your BIG silver spoon,  to stir the pot !!    Keep up the good work let me know what I owe you at the end of the month for your services !!!!!!! 

Daryl's post made me do a little research.

From the AKC website.

"The AKC will not become involved in disputes concerning 'full' or 'limited' registration of a dog. These disputes must be resolved by the parties involved in the sale of the dog. The only exception to this is in cases where there is a contract, signed by all parties involved and made at the time of the dog sale, that stipulates the registration status. In those cases, AKC will initiate an inquiry on the matter. "

I did not know that the AKC would even initiate an inquiry. 

Still don't think I would buy a pup on limited but it does make me think about that a little bit more.

PSP....I agree....

"Suincc,  I got caught in a lie ??  What Lie ??  your retarted !!    You and I will NEVER agree on anything,  Your backwards and insideout in most of your "logic?"    IT's the absolute SHITS when I come into a conversation with my first post and YOU jump all over it  with your BIG silver spoon,  to stir the pot !!    Keep up the good work let me know what I owe you at the end of the month for your services !!!!!!! "

hahahahaha..........echo muddles, always good for a laugh.  Pick up a dictionary or at least use spell check you dolt!

Echo, I want to take this opportunity to appologize - I never knowingly made fun of those who travel in the "short bus". 

Sueinc:     The last couple of weeks , you have sunk to the same level as Uglydog and Abhay and the rest of the lowlifes that post here and make rude, selfish , uncalled for remarks about others here on this poster.....

Why don't you just stick to dogs ...like you tell others, and reassess your thinking of others. whether you like them or not.......you are not the only gsd person on this earth..,,,and you certainly have not impressed a lot of us here...you argue for no reason...let others voice, and quit the troll like attitude..... you only make yourself look like the ones you make fun of........

You say on every thread of those other certain people     DON"T FEED THE TROLLS.....

Maybe you need to sit down and look in the mirror......you can be a better person; you once were.....

In most organizations in which I participate, I am a gadfly.  Self-critical of myself and others with whom I feel some comraderie.  I have called the "dean of ethics" in my college (and not as a compliment).  That said, I am going to say something congratulatory -- I think that despite some of the churlishness we have seen in this thread, we should be patted on the back.  I say this because the vast majority of the opinion on this thread has been based on apparently earnest efforts to 'do the right thing.'  Reread much of this thread -- many people are basing their arguments on ethical, not economic and self-interested, claims and I believe that for the most part they are being honest.

Do you know how many other breeds are absolutely filled with self-serving, controlling breeders who sell breed unworked show dogs -- claim they're great -- and then turn around and sell ALL puppies on irreversible limited registrations, or worse?  By worse, I mean the increasing trend to pediatric castration and hysterectomies designed to be absolutely sure to maintain control of the productive capacities in the breed, at the expense of the very gender identity and development of the puppies they 'lovingly' helped bring into the world.  In order to promote this destructive but selfish trend, their breed clubs are busy working out the propagandized rhetoric -- working out the sales and communication strategies designed to 'legitimize ' their self-serving behaviors, twisting the meanings of "ethical" breeding to mean "those who serve the economic interests of our little guild."

An aside: My ex wrote a book that included detailed accounts of the Italian operatic castrati -- those choir boys of astonishing musical talent who were routinely castrated as young teens (the equivalent of about six months in dog lives) so as to save their high singing range.  These men were consistently taller (leggier), thicker bodied, smooth faced, smaller headed -- as well as their many (some obvious) behavioral changes.  (By the way, human eunuchs can and do have sex -- and were much valued by women of their time, as their performance was very good for obvious reasons.  When Italian castrati showed up to sing opera in 18th and 19th century London, Englishmen watched their wives very nervously.)  Likewise, neutering dogs very young yields physical as well as behavioral differences -- but most naive buyers are lied to about this.  Even most vets, who care so much about the species that they don't seem to see straight -- claim, incredulously, that sterlization has no effect on appearance or behavior!  Pediatric neutering -- some as young as six weeks old -- is devastating to development, although dull-witted, unobservant people (especially those who don't train) and dog novices may fail to detect the differences.

Back to my main point: how many breeds have breeders like you folks who earnestly debate what should be done for the betterment of the breed, the individual dog, and all parties involved?  I tip my hat to you.

I think, obviously, that we should reflect on the good and let the uglier aspects of this thread pass away.

MVF: I agree , wholeheartedly on the neutering of our boys and girls,,,the first  4 shepherds , I owned , I had all neutered and spayed.....and I fought many health issues and gaining of weight the whole terms of their lives..

Now I do not spay or neuter, having two males that run together, under my scrutiny and harsh training and discipline,,and it gets testy sometimes....but no weight gains and no problems....

Unless a one testicle or a cancer problem in a male or female arises, I think leave it all in place....and selling pups and telling people they have ot neurter them or spay them to get an AKC paper is not my cup of horse manure.....and I train horses...