Keeping Your Dog Safe from Law Enforcement - Page 7

Hey Jim,
I just read this article and this is what I now know.
All men in Brooklyn named George are cop-killers.
http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/other/1110/05-02-2012/20120502115000_13.html

It is just astonishing how people can read something and turn it in to what some have on this thread.
Don't spend too much time looking for intelligent conversation here. You'll rarely find it, and like you said, this could have been a good discussion where people could have learned something, and, shudder the thought, pass it on to others who are less informed.
Oh well, another day on PDB!

I hope you and Boomer are well!!!

Slamdunc

You persist in attacking me and yet once again you are unable to attack any argument I have made. Throwing rocks at my intelligence or lack there of from your seat,  is not an effective communication tool. 

 

In between your personal attack's, you are in fact proving my and other poster's points better then we are, training and experience is the best thing to throw at this. Im very glad that you run the classes you do. People and pets are safer in your community from law enforcement, because of those classes. We are on the same page, even with my intelligence level, amazing.
 

I ask directly "who is afraid of dogs?"  I need to know this as it may jeopardize my life or my K-9's partner's life on the street.  I do get people who respond they are afraid of dogs, by the end of the training they are comfortable working around the dogs and the fear is subsided.

Steve,
Boomer is doing great, thanks for asking. 

Gigante,

I have addressed your argument; you and others have failed to answer any of my questions.  You have made statements as if you have first hand knowledge which you obviously do not.  I'm not here to prove your points or to argue with you, I am just providing some accurate information based on my experience.  I have no idea what your point is and we are definitely not on the same page.  We are very far apart in our way of thinking and our view points, let's not confuse that. 

Obviously, academy and on going training coupled with experience are the appropriate steps to take for any number of potentially dangerous situations.  You have helped to dramatize this thread, along with BE (who is just way out there on these things).  If you had left the hearsay, incorrect assumptions and "locker room" talk out of this I might have taken you seriously.  I find many of your statements offensive as I am sure you can tell. 

Jim, why did you just say I'm way out there ? Do you mean (that in America) private property is now lumped into the same catagory as unicorns and the tooth fairy ?

Seriously Jim, when a thread title like "Keeping Your Dog Safe from Law Enforcement " is on a dog forum and ends up with high fiving back patting police - AHH that is "way out there" if you care to know what I think. 

Why is it so hard for you police to speak out against this behavior ? Are you that conditioned and polarized that you have no self awareness ?

Why don't you take that tin foil hat and badge off for a minute and realize we all are in this together. Badge or no badge (pretend your a Doctor or Sawmill worker), do you really want someone (anyone) jumping into your yard or RAIDin your property by accident and shooting your dog dead while chasing someone with a pack of rolling papers ? kill your dog with 100% immunity ? 

I can't believe I even have to explain my self. This is sad. So very sad in America.

"I have no idea what your point is and we are definitely not on the same page.  We are very far apart in our way of thinking and our view points, let's not confuse that. "
 

You don't know what his viewpoint is, you just know it's wrong.  No confusion is right, that's unmistakably a slamdunc statement.

Fair enough Jim, I did not address any of your question, you had a ton so Ill pick the ones that might offer a better understanding of my opinion.

 

Q) Exactly how many unfortunate instances are there with friendly pets and Police?   I would love to see the real numbers. Exactly how many friendly dogs in their yard are shot by Police each year?

 

R) The exact number or any real number is impossible to get to. There is no registry for these types of instance's. I have been searching around for months to find that answer. I would bet the house with a short time, due to some of the recent shootings that will change. There are facebook pages that are attempting to track each occurrence. These are subject to personal opinion and emotion and are obviously going to be shot down as biased. Right now, I would rather spend money on traveling you and your class around rather then on keeping track. Just me. Eventually both are best.

 

One: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dogs-Shot-by-Police/188434097845629

 

Q) Compared to the  number of dogs that are allowed to roam free each day and get hit by cars by neglectful owners?

 

R) Allowing your dog to roam freely around the community and creating a chance for you or yours to have to make a crap design and shoot an animal? I propose YOU answer the call collect the animal with your training and the rest of us in the forum hold the owner down while you run their toes over forwards and backwards with your squad car. Note: Dogs are going to get loose, allowing and neglectful are key words.

 

Q) Then provide the stats for the number of dogs shot by hunters, farmers and citizens?  It is a widely accepted practice by hunters to shoot dogs running at large in the woods and farmers will do it in a heart beat.  But, that is ok?  Couldn't the hunters be trained to use other methods to catch or stop the dogs?  If the hunter was an off duty cop then it becomes an issue? 

R) A hunter a farmer and a citizen are not being payed to protect me and my property. They are not given great leeway on perception threat like I offer you. If I shoot a neighbors 5 pound Chihuahua 3 time's with 9mm hollow points, Im fairly confident, Im a guest in your backseat. (Boy thats a good argument right there for not carrying a 9mm) Sorry tried to resist, I lost.

 

There are alot of things that stupid people do, that I prefer you not engage in. Shooting an animal without damn good cause, with or without a badge, should be treated the same. 

 

Q) Please let me know how big of a problem this really is, how often does this occur?  Factually, not just another sensationalized event. 

R) Well, as stated I cant. But I can offer you this. In a DOJ release the director states, I have bolded some, not him.:

The COPS Office understands the importance of dog-related incidents and encounters for the public, law enforcement, and dog owners alike. With the number of dog fatalities by law enforcement on the increase, as well as concerns for officer safety, law enforcement officers must advance beyond automatically using their weapons when encountered by a dog. There are many other ways to ensure public and officer safety through diffusing dog encounters.

Also: 

By developing effective strategies in dog relations and communicating these strategies to all officers and the public, law enforcement will gain the advantage of strong relationships with internal, external, and political audiences.

http://cops.usdoj.gov/Publications/e051116358_Dog-Incidents-508.pdf


This is just one piece that helps forms my radical,  pervasive policy view. :)~ If I had stated what he says here I would still have been rebuffed as well. But if there is a need to advance from automatically using a weapon, perhaps there may be, a bit more room for my wild idea.

 

 

 

Enough neg today, out to play with puppies and get some puppy breath.  .99 a shot if anyones interested, a fair price!

I think what I'll develop is a bluetooth for the germanshepherd forum, so you can remain hands free while on duty.

I didn't take photos of your kid and I don't have a website, Babyeagle. Best have proof if you say that here again.

Gigante,
A much better response at least you put thought into it.

Here is how you started this thread:

Its policy to just shoot and claim a life threat. With that as pervasive policy, hardly is just not accurate. Lets not brush stuff under the rug because its uncomfortable. There is a problem, and theres no easy solution. I expect the flipants here and elsewhere to still be flipant if its your dog lying dead if this happens to you. No big deal, its hardly an occurance.

 

Although its not the point and all things unproved are not false, thats the argument thats always touted collateral damage & so sad move on. I don't want to move on. Don't kill peoples pets because your an ignoramus and choose to fire first and ask questions later.

 

Kill peoples pet's when there is no other choice, kill peoples pets when a human life is at risk, kill peoples pets because you made a split second choice and it was wrong choice, but split second.

 

Please don't kill peoples pet's because your an idiot and your bosses said in the bathroom that it was ok...

 

The bathroom? 
One reason why more instances dont end up with a dead dog is many officers are simply unwilling to shoot peoples pets wily nilly. No matter what was disscussed in the bathroom. 

What is tardo bathroom policy anyway?  I personally do not like to hold conversations in bathrooms.  

The whole good cop bad cop thing should go down the toilet, with this discussion, its not relevant. Public policy and wispered policy is relevant. Having respect for life is relevant. Not killing something we love without a damn good reason is relevant.   . Not wanting to learn how to deal with something without using lethal force, that you will encounter just about daily is very, very relevant.

 Well, we do train for these situations.  Who doesn't want to learn?  This is an example of your ridiculous statements.  Perhaps now that I have spelled it out you and Daryl will see why we do not share the same view points.