GSDCA Lawsuit - Letter of Clarification from the AKC - Page 7

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bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 08 August 2014 - 12:08

Chico's dog is on the right track but an imported pedigree on the dam's side is not US bred or bloodlines.  The US based GSD organizations can't breed dogs .. what they produce is politics, titles, ego and lies??  In 1978 the Germans, Czechs, etc. were breeding dogs and bloodlines based on German bred or Czech bred or etc. .  The USA was importing dogs.  Today 35 years later the Germans and Czechs and others are still breeding dogs based on their original bloodlines.  The USA is still importing dogs and the GSD organizations are still telling lies, playing politics, inflating their useless egos, and chasing worthless titles and plastic trophies.  Make up any definition you want for US bred as it won't matter for the useless and pathetic US GSD breed clubs.  If an American bred dog is a puppy from a bitch bred in Germany and uncrated in New Jersey to have her pups then the US breed organizations job is done.  Let's take sperm and eggs from two German dogs and mix them in a petri dish in Omaha.  If taking a second generation from import GSD male and throwing him in a kennel with an imported bitch is breeding US bloodline dogs then the US GSD breed clubs have done what they started out to do .. apparently that is be self serving weak minded fakes.  The rigging of the AWDF in 2013 to rob Balabanov/Ebor and the attempted fixing of the WUSV qualifier in 2013 were the most recent examples of how weak the US GSD breed clubs are and how they are willing to do anything to appear relevant or important.  If calling puppies from two imported dogs US bred will make the fakers appear real then have at it .. the real breeders in the USA and Europe and worldwide know a fake when they see one.  The Europeans will keep breeding GSD and the US title chasers can keep buying them.


by Bob McKown on 08 August 2014 - 12:08

MOM:

 

                  I see nothing on either web site promoting IPO or Schutzhund. USCA has a youth scholarship program for jr handlers. WDA ? no idea what they offer to tthere youth handlers. and I have no idea what GSDCA offers either?

  


momosgarage

by momosgarage on 08 August 2014 - 12:08

@Bob Mckown, in 2013 the USCA scholarship had a grand total of 3 applicants nationwide, by USCA's own admission.

Also why would you expect my examples to promote IPO or schutzhund?   I posted them to show what IPO and schutzhund do not have in the USA, which is a sizable cohort of junior handlers, with robust, foward looking mentoring programs guiding them.


bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 08 August 2014 - 12:08

The USA GSD breeders have been about to start for 35 years but that day never seems to happen and the imports just keep coming.  It will be difficult to impossible to find a GSD alive today that has a single ancestor in their 5 generation pedigree that wasn't born after 1978.  From Grim to Fero to Norbo to Emilka, Warra, and others .. all were not even born in 1978.  Which great US born and bred GSD appears in pedigrees in the 4th and 5th position today???  There aren't any great US born and bred GSD in pedigrees because you can't breed GSD by chasing next years championship or rigging the trials to win a no expense paid trip to the FCI championships in Europe.  The US GSD breed clubs have supported the European breeders and breeders like T Floyd have been demoted a place or two on the winners stand so that an imported dog belonging to a breed club insider gets to breed his import as the US champion.


by Bob McKown on 08 August 2014 - 14:08

mom:

              Schutzhund isn,t for everyone and it should,nt be. It should,nt be a everyone wins philosphy as in the AKC. It,s specific and deals with drives like Aggression, Defense things most AKCers frown on. The AKC has a huge budget which to draw from and better marketing strategy i,ll admit but they have also been around many times longer than any orginized Schutzhund clubs or orginizations not including the fact that AKC was a major naysayer it,s self for years against the biting sports.

Could we as an orginization do a better job promoting our venue? yes of course. But i don,t want every Tom, Dick and Susie showing up with a Working line dog they bought and wantting it to be a family affair after all no one ever got hurt running weave poles or prancing thru the ring at a AKC show while wearing a gentle leader.  

I also feel there is a difference between IPO and Schutzhund more then just the name. IPO is a sport done that highlights the trainers abaility to make precise ObedienceTracking and a Preplanned protection routine. It,s hard work and to get to the pinical is hard and should be. It,s not for everyone and should,nt be. Schutzhund in my opinion is the working of the dog thru the entire cycle from life to death and every thing in between develpoing a dog to it,s fullest potential whether that is a home compain to a home protector to a police dog or S&R to Therapy dogs.  


susie

by susie on 08 August 2014 - 14:08

Why don´t you want me, Bob ???    Clown


by Bob McKown on 08 August 2014 - 14:08

Butta:

                 It,s easy to set at your key board and hump it as usual, give some proof on that last statement! You have no idea what your talking about.   T Floyd is a great competitor and also is one who has a youth training camp I believe. 


by Bob McKown on 08 August 2014 - 14:08

Susie:

                You hold a special place in my Heart! Kiss


momosgarage

by momosgarage on 08 August 2014 - 14:08

Schutzhund isn,t for everyone and it should,nt be. It should,nt be a everyone wins philosphy as in the AKC. It,s specific and deals with drives like Aggression, Defense things most AKCers frown on. The AKC has a huge budget which to draw from and better marketing strategy i,ll admit but they have also been around many times longer than any orginized Schutzhund clubs or orginizations not including the fact that AKC was a major naysayer it,s self for years against the biting sports.

@Bob McKown and this thought process is precisley why there is a huge problem.  There are more to FCI events than the IPO1-3 and SchH1-3.  There is the BH, OB, Tr, FH, RH, STP, HGH, etc.  If I also included the VDH recognized events I could fill the entire page.  IPO/SchH clubs in the USA don't need to solely promote IPO/SchH to get youngsters involved in the sport and families don't have to get high drive dogs to learn the showing and documentation process of FCI events either.  You guys continue to dress this up as an "all or nothing" situation, when in fact it is not and never has been. 

I can't tell if you and others here are simply unaware of these options available or if you are all simply trying to ignore the facts of what is actually available to grow the IPO/SchH club membership base. But, I can tell you that promoting IPO/SchH alone isn't going to cut it, in the long term.  You guy can either embrace these other events and grow the "knowledgeable member base" through offering them or die on the vine.  The saddest part is that those whom are promoting this incorrect mind set won't even be alive when the chickens finally come home to roost.


by Bob McKown on 08 August 2014 - 14:08

Mom:

            Will agree to disagree. I,m completely aware of the titles offered by the Organizations. 

There are people who do just the titles you mentioned. But Schutzhund can,t become just a Agility trial AKC has that covered. There is nothing wrong with a smaller more unified orginization I,d rather have a thousand devoted members then a million people playing. That keeps the knowledge pure!  






 


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