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by sueincc on 27 February 2008 - 00:02

Mystere, you are right again. This thread is going nowhere and has no relevance to GSDs. On more than one occasion, Tina has posted comments on this thread after it has been dead for more than a month which does nothing but stir this silly pot. I'm going to take your advise and others advise and stop posting on this thread. Hopefully we can kill it once and for all !!!!

by Trafalgar on 27 February 2008 - 00:02

From my perspective the most interesting aspect of this entire thread is the level of intensity of the opinions of the people rather than any aspect of the breed (or "varieties" or "types" or whatever...). I've always wondered why the dog world in particular is so dominated by the themes of condescension and parochial bigotry. What makes people prefer one breed to another, is subjective to be sure - but not completely beyond the scope of articulation. I believe the VAST (and I mean VAST) majority of people are attracted to a breed based on it's physical conformation. I also believe that many "experienced" dog people are not so compelled. But - putting your personal motivation aside - why would a person feel they have the right to assign value to OTHER PEOPLE'S preferences. I, for instance, started as a wee lad - being attracted to dogs based on physical extremes. I remember longing for consecutively an English Mastiff, an Old English Sheepdog, a Great Dane, a Komondor, a Swinford Bandog. Who among us feels they have the right to say I was wrong? As time progressed, my CRITIERIA changed and what started to appeal to me was something less accessible to the eye - but understandable to many folks who've had the good fortune to love some great dogs AS WELL AS the misfortune to love some - subjectively evaluated of course - rotten dogs. I'm always surprised (but not critical) that some people actually move TOWARDS considering CONFORMATION. What is surprising to me is that I simply assumed because I started off caring about the physical conformation of a dog (i.e. show quality) and moved towards ABILITY (how well they learn, perform complex tasks, etc...) - I assumed that everyone would. Recently, I've even heard of a working line GSD breeder moving towards highlines! To me that is peculiar BUT that is their very own choice - and no one else should feel priviledged to condemn it (IMO). My overarcing point: People who are attracted to Shiloh and King Shepherds are rightfullly free to love a breed - or type - based on whatever criteria they choose. Of course people needing a dog to DO SOMETHING, would be best served to buy a pup from a litter where BOTH PARENTS AND A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF IMMEDIATELY RELATIVES of said pup - DID OR DO the task in question (and do/did it well). If sitting around being large and relaxed is what one wants - then getting a dog from a breeding of dogs that are large and relaxed - seems like a good idea to me.

by Preston on 27 February 2008 - 01:02

It is very simple why most GSD enthusiasts are so critical of these two aberrations. Because of the claims about the origin of the breed made by the originator. Claiming the breed anything to do with improving the work of Capt. Von Stephanitz assures a reaction and that is what happened. Plus all the gfolks who have come forth in years past telling of all the serious joint and health issues with these aberrations.

by Two Moons on 27 February 2008 - 01:02

Originally Lara asked what are they bred for?

Money and ego.

Lets also cover peekapoo's , cockadoodles , and cabbits.

People all over the world, including the UK breed what they want. GSD people too.

Its not a sin and its not illegal.

by harddawg on 27 February 2008 - 02:02

"Recently, I've even heard of a working line GSD breeder moving towards highlines! To me that is peculiar BUT that is their very own choice - and no one else should feel priviledged to condemn it (IMO)."

I could easily see why someone would move from working lines to the highlines, MONEY!

People who are in it for the money for the most part don't even title their own dogs. They ship them off to Germany or wherever to have someone do it for them. They brush and polish them up then take them off to show rings to prance them around like little pony's. It's alot less work and alot less money to deal in working dogs. People for the most part don't want a real working dog nowadays. They want a pretty pony to show off to everyone or a typical looking German Shepherd to give them the perceived feeling of safety. Just look at the dogs Harrison K9 sells. Showline personal protection dogs! Do they look like they could do the job - yes to the layman eye. Could they really do the job, maybe sometimes.

by harddawg on 27 February 2008 - 02:02

*Typo

It's alot more work and alot less money to deal in working dogs!

by harddawg on 27 February 2008 - 02:02

Showline breeders at trials for the most part don't even want their dogs to be seen on the same field with the working line dogs. They are afraid people might see the difference in intensity, focus and overall ability.

by Shepherd Woman on 27 February 2008 - 03:02

OMG LOL. That is the most ridiculous ignorant thing that I have heard this week............

by harddawg on 27 February 2008 - 03:02

OMG LOL. That is the most ridiculous ignorant thing that I have heard this week............

Count how many showliners have competed in the BSP or WUSV. That's what's ridiculous. The most "valuable" dogs are the prancing ponies. Something went wrong somewhere!

by habanaro on 27 February 2008 - 03:02

Actually I think I may have a burger king shepherd... He's always leaving me whoppers

Sorry boredom and sleep deprivation are a nasty combo.. :)

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