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by zdog on 03 February 2014 - 23:02
With every post, biggest mouth, smallest brain.
by Blitzen on 04 February 2014 - 00:02
Where's that damned like button?
by gsdstudent on 04 February 2014 - 01:02
repetition is the father of knowledge. If a preformance can not be repeated, with florish, how can you be certain the animal will do it the next required time. BooBoo, it is why a young man in the military learns to say '' yes sir'' rather than ''yup''. The dog who can maintain precision is better than the one who does what it feels like doing. The ability to handle stress is a key part of the IPO test. repetition and precision leads to stress in the weak minded. your turn booboo
by bebo on 04 February 2014 - 03:02
how dare knut ruin the only working breed left.
half of team usa 2011 mondioring team covering up their faulty dogs with focused heeling and
it got worse in 2013 as they all did focused heeling.
good thing bubba stays on top of all the dog sports he's never attempted, leave alone mastered, and their breeds
he knows nuttin' about. only our trust in ignorant, self-proclmained experts, and their backyrad breeding prowess, will
save the working dog and lives, man, saving lives. thanks bubba. ps: patterns of repeated rants and outbursts may hide
mental faults.
half of team usa 2011 mondioring team covering up their faulty dogs with focused heeling and
it got worse in 2013 as they all did focused heeling.
good thing bubba stays on top of all the dog sports he's never attempted, leave alone mastered, and their breeds
he knows nuttin' about. only our trust in ignorant, self-proclmained experts, and their backyrad breeding prowess, will
save the working dog and lives, man, saving lives. thanks bubba. ps: patterns of repeated rants and outbursts may hide
mental faults.
by Bob McKown on 04 February 2014 - 15:02
Again Butta BooWho Gives testimony to things he knows absolutely nothing about! Again Butta, how many times have you trialed and competed and done any thing with your "Hard Candie" dogs that gives you anything close to perspective on the subject? Thats the problem with the internet any keyboard cow boy can hump a web site!
by Smiley on 04 February 2014 - 15:02
Can anyone answer me if they can get the same exact level of focused heeling without a prong or e-collar? Nobody seems to be able to tell me and I am new to IPO. Every single dog on the training field with me from two clubs uses one but most use both. E-collar use is huge.
I am just curious as I don't want to use them. I don't like how their dogs scream when they shock them for not giving attention or whatever. The constant barrage of screams and whines unsettles me. How can that build a good relationship with your dog.There has to be a better way....
I am just curious as I don't want to use them. I don't like how their dogs scream when they shock them for not giving attention or whatever. The constant barrage of screams and whines unsettles me. How can that build a good relationship with your dog.There has to be a better way....
by gsdstudent on 04 February 2014 - 15:02
hello Smiley; Go see many trainers and watch to see which trainer has the dog you like in action. Compare the action or results to how they obtained the behavior. Can you train that way? if no, keep looking. One observation I can speak on is that some handlers train their dog to ''scream'' rather than focus with poor corrections. A correction by definition leads to the proper behavior. If the proper responce does not happen, it was stimulas. Keep looking, keep trying, and keep training
by Hired Dog on 04 February 2014 - 15:02
Smiley, I have used a prong for decades and an E collar for just as long. I have never made a dog scream with either, but, I have seen dogs hit the end of a prong by themselves while acting stupid and getting self-corrected...most wont do it again.
The E collar is most likely the best tool there is out there, but, you need to know what you are doing and you really need to know your dog. I could not picture me working/training around a group of people who make their dogs scream on purpose...what is your training director doing/saying?
Yes, you can train that type of healing without either of these tools, but, depending on your dog, it may not be very easy. As far as the relationship you talk about, how does a tool make it better or worse if you are using a choker or even a flat collar to correct your dog?
A prong takes very minimal "tugging" and and E collar even less, if you know what you are doing.
The E collar is most likely the best tool there is out there, but, you need to know what you are doing and you really need to know your dog. I could not picture me working/training around a group of people who make their dogs scream on purpose...what is your training director doing/saying?
Yes, you can train that type of healing without either of these tools, but, depending on your dog, it may not be very easy. As far as the relationship you talk about, how does a tool make it better or worse if you are using a choker or even a flat collar to correct your dog?
A prong takes very minimal "tugging" and and E collar even less, if you know what you are doing.
by Bob McKown on 04 February 2014 - 15:02
If the dog is Screaming on electric it,s being used poorly!. It depends on the dog if it,s food drive is high and very pack oriented it can make for nice focus healing! You must find what motivates your dog and use it to your best advantage!
Just my opinion
Just my opinion
by OGBS on 04 February 2014 - 15:02
Smiley,
This is such an easy answer and I am surprised that no one has answered it yet.
(Edit: Apologies to Bob and Hired Dog who have both answered this. I was typing as you two had posted.)
Yes, you can train focused heeling without a prong and without an e-collar.
The people I know that are succesful trainers all use food and then a ball to teach this type of heeling.
Food and/or a ball, or a tug, should always be the beginning of this style of heeling.
In my opinion, the ball should always be the highest reward for a dog in obedience.
If the ball work is done properly you will rarely need much in the way of corrections, but, there will be times when you do need to correct. Dogs are not machines.
They have good and bad days and all types of days in between.
Look up some of the info on Gottfried Dildei and his obedience training methods and you will find exactly the style of training you appear to be looking for.
The other thing that should be pointed out is that a prong and an ecollar used properly and effectively are not necessarily only a correction device.
They are stimulus devices used to get the proper behavior asked for.
Think of it this way. Did you ever have a day when you were dragging and had a tough time getting motivated?
Maybe your Mom or Dad, sibling, or a friend said, Hey you need to wake up and get going here while they were poking you in the shoulder.
When used properly and effectively this is what a prong and ecollar do. They are the poke in the shoulder. They stimulate behavior, instead of punishing bad behavior.
Unfortunately, too many people only use them to punish bad behavior. I would stay away from this type of inexperienced trainer.
As a side note, people who make their dogs scream just to make them scream are not what I consider good trainers.
This is such an easy answer and I am surprised that no one has answered it yet.
(Edit: Apologies to Bob and Hired Dog who have both answered this. I was typing as you two had posted.)
Yes, you can train focused heeling without a prong and without an e-collar.
The people I know that are succesful trainers all use food and then a ball to teach this type of heeling.
Food and/or a ball, or a tug, should always be the beginning of this style of heeling.
In my opinion, the ball should always be the highest reward for a dog in obedience.
If the ball work is done properly you will rarely need much in the way of corrections, but, there will be times when you do need to correct. Dogs are not machines.
They have good and bad days and all types of days in between.
Look up some of the info on Gottfried Dildei and his obedience training methods and you will find exactly the style of training you appear to be looking for.
The other thing that should be pointed out is that a prong and an ecollar used properly and effectively are not necessarily only a correction device.
They are stimulus devices used to get the proper behavior asked for.
Think of it this way. Did you ever have a day when you were dragging and had a tough time getting motivated?
Maybe your Mom or Dad, sibling, or a friend said, Hey you need to wake up and get going here while they were poking you in the shoulder.
When used properly and effectively this is what a prong and ecollar do. They are the poke in the shoulder. They stimulate behavior, instead of punishing bad behavior.
Unfortunately, too many people only use them to punish bad behavior. I would stay away from this type of inexperienced trainer.
As a side note, people who make their dogs scream just to make them scream are not what I consider good trainers.
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