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by BabyEagle4U on 18 January 2009 - 19:01
Did you people even read the entire Bill ?
Da Federal Government has NO business preventing slaughtered animals for food, or limit transportation of any animal and of course it's NOT the Federal Governments job to act as the people's conscience. This is a State issue, and that's where it should stay per the US Constitution Article 1 Section Vlll. This needs to be addressed by the individual states being persuasive, not by Federal force. Besides, who is the Federal Government to tell ALL people what they can eat and what not to eat, when to travel and when not to travel ? What's next, chicken, beef, fishes ? Worms, grasshoppers, snails.... oranges ? When to eat and when not to eat ? LOL
It all boils to individual responsibility and ownership of property with these animals, same with dogs and cats and all animals for that matter. People need to take responsibilty for their actions of cruelty or neglect, not actions against feedin' people somewhere.
I personally wouldn't never eat a horse, unless of course, it was the only meat option (food source) for my survival. I think of them more as transportation. But, the Federal Laws that abolish freedoms of what to eat and what not to eat ... restrict the free market and total BS as far as the US Constitution in concerned. FYI.
Soooo, what is better .. killing with a gun, or slit the neck and let them bleed out ? What is better, Euth injection and loss of a food source perhaps or persuasively educating and or punishing individual owner/breeder's ? I say the latter.
Grasshoppers and worms anyone ? Chocolate covered ?
I can see it now, you'll need a government stamp on every vehicle to transport your horses to the trail, show, track, or where ever. I think this Bill is BS.
Da Federal Government has NO business preventing slaughtered animals for food, or limit transportation of any animal and of course it's NOT the Federal Governments job to act as the people's conscience. This is a State issue, and that's where it should stay per the US Constitution Article 1 Section Vlll. This needs to be addressed by the individual states being persuasive, not by Federal force. Besides, who is the Federal Government to tell ALL people what they can eat and what not to eat, when to travel and when not to travel ? What's next, chicken, beef, fishes ? Worms, grasshoppers, snails.... oranges ? When to eat and when not to eat ? LOL
It all boils to individual responsibility and ownership of property with these animals, same with dogs and cats and all animals for that matter. People need to take responsibilty for their actions of cruelty or neglect, not actions against feedin' people somewhere.
I personally wouldn't never eat a horse, unless of course, it was the only meat option (food source) for my survival. I think of them more as transportation. But, the Federal Laws that abolish freedoms of what to eat and what not to eat ... restrict the free market and total BS as far as the US Constitution in concerned. FYI.
Soooo, what is better .. killing with a gun, or slit the neck and let them bleed out ? What is better, Euth injection and loss of a food source perhaps or persuasively educating and or punishing individual owner/breeder's ? I say the latter.
Grasshoppers and worms anyone ? Chocolate covered ?
I can see it now, you'll need a government stamp on every vehicle to transport your horses to the trail, show, track, or where ever. I think this Bill is BS.
by wuzzup on 18 January 2009 - 19:01
NO eagle just check them at the border,and yes a bullet to the head is better then a nail gun and a slit throat.
by 4pack on 18 January 2009 - 20:01
Check them at the border? OK, they are stacked 3 high, the ones that fell from lack of food and water are 1/2 dead(if not all the way), now down and stepped on. The ones still standing are white eyed and freaked out by the smell of blood, urin and shit they have been standing in for days without a rest or exit from the trailer(not a horse trailer but a double high cattle truck not high enough for horses to stand upright in) they have been loaded in. The ride there is more torturous than any slaughterhouse. Many horses freak out in such trailers and even if they don't, they fall over due to turns and bumps while driving, they break legs, necks and whatever else. How would you like a 1-3 day drive to the border, no food, water or sleep?
by lookin4ppgsd on 18 January 2009 - 20:01
Then they should open the slaughter houses back up in the country and they won't have to take that long trip
by venzosmom on 18 January 2009 - 20:01
You can stop & inspect at the borders....but if it legal "cargo", thats all they can do...
by chicki on 18 January 2009 - 21:01
4 pack...you don't get it. What I am saying is that it seems ridiculus to get all up in arms about the suffering of horses ....when it happens to cows and pigs every single day. The only reason people get upset about the horses is that they like them. If you think for one moment that it's painless or humane for animals ( all types) in Canada to go to slaughter...you are sorely mistaken. It's just a different level of suffering, thats all.
by wuzzup on 18 January 2009 - 23:01
It is against the law to transport them in an inhumane manner.The border patrol should stop the trucks and confiscate the cargo and the trucks,hand out big fines.Then maybe in all the years of technology they can find a more humane means of slaughter.All animals driven to slaughter are governed by laws for the humane transportation of them.yes even chickens,pigs,cows,goats and sheep.Then maybe they will start to spend the dime to shoot the animals and end the suffering quickly.Is that to much to ask for ??
by venzosmom on 19 January 2009 - 00:01
.Im not for any animal be treated badly,,I dont care if its a pig,cow,horse or a rat,,,buy the way I'm also a vegetarian,,,border patrol won't do anything about it,,,,they are not,,they care more about drug smugglers & people smugglers... Also just because u or I may think its inhumane transportation,,does not mean it does not meet DOT fed. guide lines....& if they take theses animals ,,what do u think is going to happen to them ??? They will be killed here,,,& since we dont have slaughter houses here,,it will be done the cheapest way the goverment knows how.....
by beetree on 19 January 2009 - 00:01
Yes, because to kill an animal by gun shot is not cost effective.
by RLHAR on 19 January 2009 - 00:01
Putting a horse down via a bullet, captive or otherwise is not an 'aim and shoot' situation. There is a very narrow target point and it is not easy to get a correct aim on, especially on an already frightened, unsettled animal.
When they put down old, infirmed fox hunters, who's time had come and who were then going to be used as a meat source for the hounds (this is back in the 40s-70s) there were two methods. One was to feed the old fellow/lady a bran mash in their feed tub. When the horse was almost finished, his/her head down and calm in position it was done. Another way was to blow 'gone away' which most horses who fox hunt recognize and would focus in the direction of the horn and again, the aim could be drawn and the shot taken.
Have you seen the videos from slaughter houses where the bullets/hammer blow/captive bolt, etc have missed their target?
The hard truth is, there is no neat, pretty, humane way to slaughter an animal for consumption. I say consumption because lethal injection is about as 'sanitized' as it gets but then the animal in question is no longer edible.
It's not the 10 cent dime that's the problem. It's the money that would have to go into training people where to put that bullet, the money that would have to go into providing facilities that could capture and hold an animal's head long enough to put that bullet on target and the time it would take to get a proper shot.
We made a mistake closing the slaughter houses that our state regulators and FDA could maintain some sort of controls over. Now it's the animals that are paying for our screw up.
You want to do something? Start sending donations to the farms that take in the old wrecks and the horses no one wants. If you can't afford a donation, find a farm close by and volunteer your time to muck out stalls, throw hay and keep water buckets clean.
When they put down old, infirmed fox hunters, who's time had come and who were then going to be used as a meat source for the hounds (this is back in the 40s-70s) there were two methods. One was to feed the old fellow/lady a bran mash in their feed tub. When the horse was almost finished, his/her head down and calm in position it was done. Another way was to blow 'gone away' which most horses who fox hunt recognize and would focus in the direction of the horn and again, the aim could be drawn and the shot taken.
Have you seen the videos from slaughter houses where the bullets/hammer blow/captive bolt, etc have missed their target?
The hard truth is, there is no neat, pretty, humane way to slaughter an animal for consumption. I say consumption because lethal injection is about as 'sanitized' as it gets but then the animal in question is no longer edible.
It's not the 10 cent dime that's the problem. It's the money that would have to go into training people where to put that bullet, the money that would have to go into providing facilities that could capture and hold an animal's head long enough to put that bullet on target and the time it would take to get a proper shot.
We made a mistake closing the slaughter houses that our state regulators and FDA could maintain some sort of controls over. Now it's the animals that are paying for our screw up.
You want to do something? Start sending donations to the farms that take in the old wrecks and the horses no one wants. If you can't afford a donation, find a farm close by and volunteer your time to muck out stalls, throw hay and keep water buckets clean.
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