officer shoots dog a different prospective - Page 10

If the chain was shot off the dog, what are the chances the bullet missed the neck? Do we KNOW the chain was shot off the dog?

Looked like a cheapo chain and cheapo tie out. The collar could have easily broken off the dog if he lunged.

Anyone who leaves their dog tied on a choke chain, especially when they aren't home .....?? Common sense tells you that choke chains can choke your dog. I knew someone who left a dog on a choke chain, tied up on a porch, and the dog fell off and hung itself.

The article and photos read like straight from the National Enquirer.......Sorry, I REALLY do feel bad for the dog, but I can't feel too sorry for someone who leaves their dog out, tied up on a choke......and then takes pictures of it.......To me the real sad story is the dog being left out like that, where anything could happen to him OR (by accident) to someone else. Everyone loves their dogs, but dogs need responsible loving owners.

Weird inconsistencies in the article too. Need more facts all the way around.

I see a picture of the grass with blood on it, but I can't tell from the picture whether or not it is right next to the porch.  Is there something in that picture that makes you think the grass is not next to the sidewalk/porch?  The yellow line looks long enough to allow the dog to move off the porch a little ways.  In the picture of the sidewalk/porch I see blood and also teeth.  Don't the teeth indicate that's probably where the dog was shot?  If the first shots were fired on the porch & the dog wasn't killed, doesn't it seem plausible he could have moved  off trying to get away?

This is all just speculation, we need to wait for an investigation.  I hope for everyones sake it's done by a fair & impartial party. 

I hope everyone keeps the pressure up.  I would hate to see this swept under the rug being as it's "just a dog".  If the officer has done nothing wrong, an impartial investigation will reveal that.  I'll be happy to apologize.  If that is the case I'm sure he welcomes an investigation. I very much doubt he is a poster on a GSD message board.   

By virtue of the power of the job and the gun, police must be held to a higher standard. I think that's evident to all that do the job.

PSP

We ain't hunting the same dog! :) I'm not saying adreneline of the cop being the reason he shot so many times.  My point was we don't know that the dog would have/did stopped after one or two shots.  Google the phrase "Platt and Mattox". It's been a long time since I was taught about them and may have spelling wrong. These two were in a firefight with the FBI that tells how little effect being shot over and over can have when adreneline is into play. He may have shot and the dog just kept coming.  And on and on.

Like I say, I wouldn't give a plug nickel for most cops (not all-most)but that doesn't make it right to make a decision before I have heard the facts.  I have a destinct hunch this guy is a neanderthal who shot the dog because he got away with it before.  But I just would like to have more actual, verifiable information than what I've seen.

A lot of what I've read regarding this doesn't sound totally rational on either side.  That's what I don't like about the inferences regarding both sides.  

JMHO

Dawg

Regardless, I would be inconsolable if it were my dog and my heart breaks for dog and the owners .

Dawg 

Legal or not legal entry to homeowners property....officer enters suspecting person on warrant is at this house....why or why did not his dispatcher and he, the officer serving such warrant, if all officers enter expecting a suspect to run out the back door or the windows, he has to have back up or a second officer for a witness.......in Murphy , Texas, last weekend, one of my shepherds, female on a leash walking, snarled at a neighbor man in late 70's who reached down to touch dog, who did not know man and was warning him , stay back , wrong move...and his tooth touched mans hand, scratched it ...Father of a Doctor, and a free bleeder, went to emergency room, and u know the rest of the story.......they called me immed..and while on phone with me, the doorbell rang.  My customers, dogs owner went to door, with Jada next to them, opened door and there stood not one, but TWO officers, one female in the front  and the second a male, who stated he didnt like german shepherds....The lady officer intoduced herself, and stated reason for the visit, and report to be taken, was a dog that had nipped an old man, who told them , "iT WAS MY FAULT THE DOG SNARLED AT ME..,,,I SHOULD NOT HAVE REACHED FOR IT...IT DID NOT KNOW ME.....The female officer, came into home, and Jada approached her, tail wagging, and put her paws up and jumped up for a greeting and licked the lady and was of no threat....the male officer stated he was not fond of dogs, so he stepped outside....good deal.....Jada is not stupid, because she is East and West German Bloodlines and she has not been agression trained or protection trained, but her nature takes care of that.....Lady Officer proceeds to inform the owner of Jada,,,,she;s got to go to 'Doggy Jail" for 1o days...and where is her rabies tag and certification.....SO no head was cut off, and no gun shots.....but there were "TWO" officers on site.....what if Jada had run at officer when door opened......sHould she have pulled her revolver and shot her.....before owners could say  Jada, Nine.....? and what if both officers would have pulled revolver and shot Jada......they were told that she harmed a mans hand.....I do not know if officers went to hospital and saw the hand,  proper proceedure,says Yes , they were called to the hospital, that is how the report gets taken....dept. sends an officer to the hospital , report taken , as to if saw patient, do not know, but a Dr."s report says how bad and describes incident to the officer....so heres another dog incident that

Thank goodness " department proceedure sent TWO officers to the property and they had no idea upon entry as to the end result but as an officer, ready for the worst possible, and the readiness of the training they receive, entered the danger zone, with clear head and professionalism to execute the legal issuance of an order to 'Quarantine said Animal" being a german shepherd dog named Jada.....

While I support Law enforcement you always have to be aware that a number of people who enter this profession are not qualified due to mental and/or physical conditions. While some departments and agencies have stricter qualifications many of the local ones have few if any.

It appears this officer may have exceeded proper methods and bascially thinks he is "Rambo". If this was my dog i would consider pressing both criminal and civil cases against him and would immediatley retain legal counsel.

We had a local case where a counstable was using his badge to harass his 70+ neighbor until finally the old ex-marine man pulled a gun and the counstable cried like a baby begging for his life. The counstable is about 6'4" 300 lbs(fat slob) and the old man was small but tough. To make matters worse the coustable filed charges and the old man had to spend 30 days in jail.  I know for a fact the counstable has a ego problem and likes to throw his weight around and wants eveyone to think he is a king or something.

point is you have good police and bad police,, the bad ones needing weeded out and fired.

gsdlvr2,

The question has always been if the officer saw the dog prior to going around the side of the house.

sueincc,

You seem to ne the only one who is willing to look at and question the only real evidence we have in the case. Thank you for that. Since you asked some questions let's continue to examine. I have some time on my hands and this has really sparked the investigator in me.

In the first picture there is a definate beginning or end to the blood trail. I would say it is the beginning because the owner stated the dog ended up a few feet from the porch.  Why do I say that? Because following the blood trail, you see a spot that has a significantly larger loss of blood. This indicates the dog went down there for a period of time and lost blood in that spot. If we go back to the beginning of the trail, the porch is not in the background.

Now look at the grass in front of the porch. It is very different than the grass in the picture with the blood trail. This indicates somewhat of a space between the porch and the blood trail. My theory is the dog either came at the officer from the porch, or more likely, the dog was tied somewhere other than the porch; again supporting the thought the officer may not have seen the dog prior to the attack.

Now let's say the dog was shot on the porch. This would again indicate either the officer did not see the dog, or did not think the dog was aggressive. Officers encounter dogs every day. It is not realistic to think that officers would call Animal Control or not enter a property every time they encounter a dog. They must use judgement in whether they see the dog as a threat or not. We are all knowlegable about dogs, maybe this officer wasn't and did mistakingly think this dog was friendly.

But back to the dog was shot on the porch, look at the direction of blood spatter on the porch. It goes away from the door. If the dog was shot on the porch it, the officer would have been standing on the porch and shot to the right of the porch, or standing directly in front of the porch with the dog approching from the right side if you were facing the porch. If the dog was shot on the right side, why is the collar and end of the leash on the left, opposite the direction of teh blood spatter?

Perhaps the most telling( I missed it the first time) is the collar was supposedly shot off the dog. If so, I do not see ANY blood on the collar and there is definately no blood that can be seen on the upper part of the rope at all. Also if the collar was shot off the dog it is not likely it would have ended up in two pieces so close together. This supports Animules theory of the dog breaking the chain.

This is just theory from what little actual evidence we have. What I am saying is there are inconsistancies between the statements and the evidence. If we were at the actual scene, and were able to see it all and had the officers statement and location of his wounds, it should be fairly simple to determine what happened. His department investigator should have no problem sorting it all out.

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs7.htm

Please for all who keep asking why one or two shots weren't enough look at this link (especially Greatest and Lvr2 since you asked about this specifically).  A DDR dog protecting it's home is going to be more focused and driven than humans with these kinds of injuries.

JDH, I have great respect for your knowledge/posts but I have to disagree here. You say you will consider credible information to contradict what you have been told.  But, this is based on the flawed reasoning that the initial information received was credible.  What were the actual sources of this information? And how is it verifiable? I just don't understand why people are giving automatic credence to one side and  automatic rejection of the other? It's not logical. Nothing should be held as the standard of belief unless it is credible.

ANd Lvr2 I think the point was, clearly, that the cop said he didn't see the dog BEFORE the conflict.  Not AFTER he started shooting.

I don't know what field you refer to that you worked in but unless it was involving crime scene training and evaluation it is, indeed apples and oranges.  After the methodical reasoning given by GARD of what he reasoned from the crime scene photos; I really can't fathom why you would call him inexperienced in the interpretation of evidence( whether you agreed with him or not). I DO however, agree that the double standard between cops (those who should serve) and citizens (those paying for the service) abhorrent. The fact that we have no power to stop it is even more intolerable.

Once again, not saying cop was right or wrong, just saying base all these allegations on reason and fact instead of an entrenched position.  Regardless of which take you have on this topic.

Dawg