DDR dogs, what is the difference between them and other shepherds - Page 4

I have to make a point here. most people are saying west german dogs, when infact they are descibing high lines (showline blk/red dogs bred to mainly look pretty) Most of top working dogs have been west german bred (working lines,  not the blk/red show) along with dutch KNPV lines.   I can think of a dozen very nice DDR dogs who had excellent sch. scores,  but write a novel on dogs coming from WG working lines.  kennels like Karthago, Antverpa,  Wanner Hohen come to mind.

Most of your DDR line dogs are doing sentry work and such  and thats what they excell at.  not saying you can do sch. and well.  but that was not the purpose.  ALOT of your top working dogs do carry Lord,  but it is generally in the 3rd gen.

The main issue I have with the DDR lines and their (breeders who breed 100%DDR) is 1st.  most DDR lines are very heavy boned, huge head,  the gsd was not ment to look like a rottweiler.  and for the people who are so called breeding 100% DDR lines,  you are basically doing the same thing show breeders are doing.  you breed only to DDR dogs,  and alot wouldn't consider a different bloodline for the one reason that the public is paying big money for these "100 % DDR lines".  Your concentrating on breeding 1 thing, the same with show breeders that breed for the VA pedigree and blk/red color.

At least some of the Czech lines cross show bred dogs,  and other bloodlines with their breeding programs.

Sorry Joe, but I am going to have to say that DDR SDG is correct.  The majority of DDR dogs (really dogs that go back heavily on DDR, as there is no longer an East Germany) that I have seen tend to be very handler soft.  They typically can not withstand the corrections that are needed to polish a dog for top sport.  DDR dogs also have several other characteristics that I do not really like.  One being the nerves.  A little bit weak nerves can be good for some things, as the dog is innately more suspicious and will be quicker to "light up".  However, I believe that it causes greater problems as this kind of dog lacks stability.  Also, the drives are typically not balanced.  Too much aggression and not enough prey. 

   Usually DDR has very good head, bone and pigment.  Some DDR in a pedigree can be a very good thing.   

   Sunsilver, you are way off, and in my opinion Belgium has been producing the best dogs for awhile now.        

"Sunsilver, you are way off, and in my opinion Belgium has been producing the best dogs for awhile now."        

I merely asked a simple question, which no one has bothered to answer yet, as THEY'RE TOO DOG-DAMNED BUSY TAKING POTSHOTS AT EACH OTHER!!

To refresh your memory, Zahnburg, I said:

[quote]Someone please help me get a clue here....so the dogs that do so well in Schutzhund are usually West German working lines? Is that correct?

I was under the impression most dogs from what was formerly W. Germany were show lines, and the REALLY good working dogs came from DDR, Czech Republic, Hungary, etc. [/quote]

I didn't say that was TRUE, I just said that was the impression I got from reading posts on this board.  (Puts on hard-hat, in case question starts another round of potshots and arguments...)

Sorry Sun, I was just trying to help you get a "clue".  Allow me to answer your questions more directly.

   Yes, it is correct that that most dogs that you see at the top levels of sport are West German working lines, or working-lines from Belgium, Netherlands, etc. 

  Your impression is incorrect.  West German dogs can usually be seperated as working or showline.  These dog are very different.  Show-lines are meant to excell in the ring and working-lines are meant to excell on the field.  

   Relaitively recently dogs from Czech, Hungary, Slovakia, etc. have started to become very popular.  These dogs also exhibit many of the traits of the DDR dogs that I mentioned before.  This popularity may be due to the fact that these dogs are available cheap.  As I said before, some of this mixed into a pedigree correctly can produce some very nice dogs.   

  I think that many people breeding DDR dogs are approaching it in the same way as a show-line breeder.  They are looking for conformation first.  Not the same conformation as your typical show dog, but rather the good head, bone and pigment.  Often working ability is an after thought.