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kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 02 July 2007 - 12:07

Can I ask a Serious Question? What is the Seiger all about, working-show, what.? Almost every dog there can be traced to the bloodlines I have. I in no means think I am any kind of German Shepherd expert. I come to this board seeking answers to what I have a genuine interest in, German Shepherds. Mine in particular. I do breed them and sell them. I have been attacked here for asking questions to try to help myself IMPROVE the dogs I have. My dogs are almost all straight backs, I guess if I were to stack them, I could make them look angulated(I myself don't like that look). I try to look into pedigrees,temperment, size etc., My dogs have excellant temperments and are what seems to me to be very high drive. I would love to do schutzhund work with them but for me,that would be very hard. It is well over 100 miles to the nearest club.

     I have puppies now that are beautiful (9 weeks). They are out of Star vom Hasenborn-Karly von Arminius-Vilma von der Wienerau, etc.,...I truly beleived these to be good lines, Can you tell me what am I missing here????


4pack

by 4pack on 02 July 2007 - 12:07

Can I ask why the hell this thread not pertaining to GSD's is so long? I wish people would post as much about stuff that is actually important. Nobody is going to talk any sense into these mutant dog breeders or magically make the breed go away. Can we get back to the breed this board was intended now!?


by GoldenElk on 02 July 2007 - 14:07

Kikat3478 - I think you would do good to grab your Seiger question and post it as a fresh thread to seperate it from this one.

by Jeff Oehlsen on 02 July 2007 - 23:07

Quote: I have been attacked here

Can you tell me with what you were attacked with??? And by who???? : )

Many , many people drive that far to train every weekend. I recommend it, at least once, just to see and meet some dog people and get some training in.


by shibagirl on 03 July 2007 - 02:07

Let me tell you about "MY" experinces with the folks from New Zion. I am not a novice dog person in any way. I bred and showed Akitas for 10 yrs and Shiba Inu for 14 yrs.  I have never met anyone that deserved an award for acting more than these people...they have a lot of folks snowed and talk a great game. Unfortunately people have to learn this for themselves the hard way.

My first Shiloh was an adult male from them. He came to me terribly underweight and had it not been for the kindness of the girl who delivered him to me he would have been matted and stinking. She bathed and groomed him herself. He did have a sweet personality and was very soft. Overall his health was good but he started having seizures which I told her about and they just blew it off. As a breeder I felt that that was very important info and should be used in consideration when planning to breed this dog. It didn't matter as he was used at stud even after that info was given. Because they did not want me to neuter him I ended up returning him to them.

I had to  hound them for the replacement pup. When I finally got her she was so awfully thin. She weighed only 11 lbs at 11 weeks old and was filthy and stunk soooo bad. I would have died before I ever sent a pup to anyone in that condition! Within 6 days she had diarrhea and was vomiting...she had parvo and a bacterial infection called campylobachter. She almost died twice but $800 later we had pulled her through. She is a lovely girl now but on the small side even for a female.

I am sure I will be called a liar and every kind of evil thing there is. I have no intentions of going any further with is post so you all can believe what you want. But rest assured that mine is only one of many many sad stories regarding these people.


by mpshiloh on 03 July 2007 - 12:07

Hi Cate:

Tthe two MAD Shilohs are affiliated with me. The older one, biCh Dakota's Nyssa MD Shiloh Star, ROM, CD, CD-i, SAR, TT, TDI, SAR, HCT, HIT, JHD, OFA, PENN, CERF is my girl and the other one, BB, is her son. BB's sister Amy was trained as well but I started with her too late and switched to a different activity. Nyssa's granddaughter, half Shiloh and half GSD, is also being trained for SAR by BB's mom and doing well. Another one of Nyssa's son was certified in cadaver in AL but the team is not active anymore. Another one of Nyssa's sons, BB's and Amy's half-brother is certified in cadaver and worked in NO's 9th ward.
Nyssa is what I would call a medium drive, softer dog. Her reward is mostly food. She is not a high energy dog but highly intelligent, thinking one. Even though she is not out of control energetic dog, she never quit on me and always came through.
BB, her son, is more like the typical working GSD in temperament. He is a super high drive, toy rewarded phenomenal search dog. He naturally trails and airscents and is certified in cadaver as well, I believe. He is self-motivated, very high energy dog with very high pain threshhold. It turned out that he had 7 ruptured discs yet continued to work for another year or so before being diagnosed and having a surgery. And he was back to work within few months. Not bad for a dog that will be seven in August.
Nyssa is retired now at 10.5 years but did not retire until about the age of 9. She is still healthy and going strong and would certainly be capable of doing at least cadaver work if I had the time. She was both airscent and cadaver certified. There are several other Shilohs operational in SAR, many herding, doing obedience, therapy, few agility, etc.
As far as prices, a lot of health/temperament testing goes into most Shiloh litters. Many breeders do OFA hips and elbows, PENN hip, OFA heart and thyroid certifications, TLI, and CERF. And many of them guarantee their pups for a long time or life. That is where part of the price comes from. And yes, we have our share of profiteers. Sigh
And I personally do not subscribe to the common thought that bigger is better for Shilohs. Up to a reasonable degree.
One of our team's super high drive, police working line GSDs ran himself into a heat stroke during training - the drawbacks of very high energy/high drive dog.
Shilohs should never, ever be overangulated and should have normal, straight toplines.
As far as being grossly inferior animals, come and meet my dogs, working and relaxing. If nothing else, they have normal angulation and none of those heinous weird toplines that are unlike any other breed, especially the old type GSDs. 
Nyssa, BB, and Amy have no malamute in them. And they should not conform to GSD standard anyway.
And finally, whether my dogs are Shilohs, GSDs, mutts, slivers or whatever, I frankly do not care. Breed standards are arbitrary set of descriptions anyway. The proof is the dog itself.

Take care.

Michelle


by Texas2 on 05 July 2007 - 03:07

Shibagirl wrote:

<Let me tell you about "MY" experinces with the folks from New Zion. I am not a novice dog person in any way. I bred and showed Akitas for 10 yrs and Shiba Inu for 14 yrs.  I have never met anyone that deserved an award for acting more than these people...they have a lot of folks snowed and talk a great game. Unfortunately people have to learn this for themselves the hard way.>

Thank you. This is the exact experience that so many so called "splinter Shiloh breeders" have had. It seems that some folks take a little longer to figure out the "mystic" of the Shiloh Shepherd breed founder than others.  

Texas 2 


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 05 July 2007 - 03:07

she had parvo and a bacterial infection called campylobachter


That's exactly what I've been trying to tell people about feeding raw food, especially chicken. I got a camplyobacter infection from undercooked chicken in a restaurant in London, England while on vacation there. I've rarely been so miserable. I'ts a reportable illness, too, and the people at the Ministry of Health told me undercooked chicken is the #1 source for that particular bacteria. And I know NZ does feed their dogs raw food on a regular basis.


by ProudShepherdPoppa on 05 July 2007 - 05:07

Beating a dead horse


by Kapalmuks_rod on 05 July 2007 - 22:07

Very interesting subject as I learned a lot from it. Tina, you are one of a kind and if not for you the Shiloh Shepherds won't be here today. Respect and admoration is what I have for you right now.

Goodluck






 


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