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"I guess the point I have been trying to make, is that you are ruining the breed by telling everyone that a puppy needs to come from titled parents."

No, the breed is being ruined by irresponsible people whose primary interest is lining their pockets rather than the betterment of the breed and the perpetuation of sound healthy animals, this includes the $$$ breeders too.

Goldeneye

Please insert the rest of my paragraph.  You are being obtuse if you don't understand what I am saying. 

Point blank, the only dogs that will be sold to the majority of GSD owners will be $300-$400 piece of shits in the paper.  Is that better for the breed than offering these people nicely bred untitled parent's puppies?

I never said I was against titling and breeding titled dogs.  I myself have never bought a pup from untitled parents.  BUT, I am not a pet puppy person.  I have purchased all of mine for sport.  I can't say to someone who wants to breed an untitled Asko von der lutter son to an untitled Yoschy daughter, that you can't go out and breed these two for the purpose of pets. 

Let me repeat again...Puppies from titled to highly titled parents can be had from between $600-$1000.  This is the same price charged for puppies from two untitled parents.  

I think you also under estimate the masses to some degree.  Many people who know nothing about protection sports (but they have heard of police dogs,SAR, and protection dogs) are looking for "more" in their family companion, they just don't know what "more" is sometimes until they find it.

You don't have to pay more than $1000 for puppies, unless you are looking for something specific, which may carry a higher price tag.  And lets face it, most people who want something specific are looking for a dog to do work related sports and activities with, or they are looking for certain attributes in their companion dog that they feel will come for this higher priced litter.  Pet buyers do buy higher priced puppies...often..and it isn't because it is their only choice.

Your main justification for breeding untitled dogs just does not hold water. 

Your math does not make the slightest sense.  I can pull numbers out of my hat too.  It does not even require expertise in the higher mathematics:

100,000 pet buyers +  100,000 high quality, low to medium prey drive, trainable pet puppies= 200,000 happy creatures.  (Though nothing is absolute in reality.)

Aren't you tired of this discussion?  I don't think we are going to convience each other, and neither of us has the power to enforce our views on the nation.  Wanna say "Peace, dude" and be done with it? 

Veronica

>>> I can't say to someone who wants to breed an untitled Asko von der lutter son to an untitled Yoschy daughter, that you can't go out and breed these two for the purpose of pets<<

Don, they don't ask just $400 for puppies from that breeding, so that "poor pet people" can purchase them. You know that.  The $400 puppies are from people who might not even have heard of Schutzhund, and whose puppies are from dogs who do not have a working title for many generations.  

Peace.  I have to go do some work.  Good debate! 

Veronica

Yes, I am getting tired of this discussion, but before I go I want to know what idiot is payin $1000 for untitled  and where I can find $600 titled pups from?  You have to remember too, these people aren't going to pay to ship a dog either.

Now I am done!  I would like to add that it is nice to have a discussion without being aceholes!

Yes, finally a discussion without name calling and threats.  Let's congratulates ourselves and move on to the next debate.  Hmmm, what will it be.  Maybe the reason for the standard calling for the tail to be down and not up, or maybe size?  So many things to discuss and argue about.  Guess we have years of good things to discuss.  What are the odds of doing it without petty bickering?  100 to 1 (if you like things in numbers ).

Good discussion all.  Moving on.

I think the reason this was a civil discussion is because certain posters have not posted on it, or recently for that matter.  Must be that time of the month that meds get refilled.

LOL  policemom; it IS the end of the month so it's very possible that it is "medication time".  Who knows what next week will bring?? lol