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Sueincc

you said, "Idon't think any self respecting breeders is going to say 'Oh man, there's My target market'"

I hate to say it but does a self respecting breeder care about the market?  I thought they were "trying to better the breed"?  I didn't know thatthey targeted any market.  So if I have a BSP CHampion grandson and a WUSV Champ grandaughter and my dogs are not titled, I breed them and sell them to people looking for PP,  family guardians and companions, that I should charge the same amount as titled parents.  

i don't think that you are getting my point.  I am all for titling, but do you think a pet needs to come from a titled parent?  

If you people want to do what you think is right, why don't you give limited registration to everyone.  When they get the appropriate title,you can upgrade to unlimited.   

There are pets in every litter even from titled parents. In addition there are currently a few thousand GSD pets sitting in rescue, several hundred of them in Camp Wolfgang in Texas alone last I heard. The situation there has reached crisis level. I don't see the need to produce more. Limited registration is great for pets. I wish it was avaialble when I bred dogs. However, there is still the need to educate the buyers on why a pet should not be bred since AKC registration is really not needed anymore to sell "registered" pets to the public. I do like Don's ideas of upgrading the AKC limited registration if a title is reached assuming the dog is of breedining quality in all other ways.

This thread is pretty much a draw I think. Those who title promote it, those who don't don't. I appreciate DeesWolf's philosophy;  she walks the walk. I also agree with Golden Elk, it  does give license to some people to breed for pets from pets when they read that experienced breeders don't title or breed survey before breeding. No one here likes AKC, but ignoring titling or soundly proving your dog's breed worthiness before breeding is playing into their hands and increasing their coffers. .

My idiot son (25 years old and living in his first apartment with his idiot girlfriend), just bought his first dog that is all his own.  His girlfriend and he were walking through the mall, as a lot of young people like to do, and they saw a cute puppy in a mall pet shop.  They bought it on a whim for $140.00.   It is a Blue Heeler (Australian Shepherd) and Airedale Cross!.  For a freakin 140 bucks.  His dad is the freakin Dog Man of the family and he doesn't even ask me for an opinion or nuthin.  I can not believe it.  He tells me this over the phone and I tell him he is an idiot.  He hangs up on me.  Four hours later, he calls back and tells me that he has made a big mistake and asks me if I want the puppy.  He says it won't stop barking when they step out of the room.  It is peeing and pooping everywhere.  It is chewing up everything.  AFTER FOUR HOURS mind you.

If I didn't feel so sorry for the pup, I would laugh.  I told him that he made his bed and there is no way that I am going to take this pup.  I told him to take it back to the pet shop and get his money back.  He said he already called them and they said that they will not take it back unless a Vet states that there is something wrong with it.

Now he also has to pay an additional 90 bucks a month in his rent, because he has a dog.

Okay, here is my point.  I have no freaking point.  I am at a loss to explain this.  I have taught my son how to train dogs, and offered to help him find the right dog when the time comes.  Even offered to get him a dog from a shelter and train it for him, if he gave me the go ahead and time to do so.  I also offered to let him have my female Rott, that is a great dog, a sweetheart, housebroken and obedience trained.  I have explained to him that he lives in an apartment with a girl that he breaks up from every other week, and they have signed a year lease, and the last thing they need in the world, is a puppy belonging to both of them

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Okay. here is my point.  It just occurred to me.  If I send my son to college, can I get him titled, so he will be worth more, and obey better?  Then will his and his idiot girlfriends babies be smarter and of better stock, God forbid, they have babies?  Seriously, if I had sent him to Harvard and got him a PHD title.  Would his children, my grandchildren, be of better stock?  Or would they still be his kids and my grandkids, with the same genetics, with or without his imaginary PHD.

P.S., I have sent two other sons to college and they are "titled".  Funny thing is.  The smartest (IMO, and I know them better than anyone except for their mother), of my three sons is the one I have described above.  The one that never even finished high school and got a GED instead (like his father), because he "knows it all" (like his father), and is as stubborn as all get out (exactly like his father, his mother has said many times).

I guess my real point is, the point that Don Corleone and flipfinish have made, in a different way.  With puppies and with children, it is a crap shoot.

Okay, okay.  Here is my REAL point.  Anyone out there want an Airedale/Blue Heeler cross puppy, that is almost done with house training, is coming along fine in his obedience training, in fact, almost ready for his obedience title (just needs a little "freshening up") before his obedience title test?  The price, well, just $150.00, wait, er, ah, just a measly $200.00 dollars, American.  I will even throw in a 25 year old human man (?), that has a good job, a nice two bedroom apartment, a "souped up" Honda (green with gold trim, mag wheels, even a freakin CD player that plays video movies so you can waitch them as you are driving around town (What the F ck is up with that???), and all females say , has great confirmation, looks and abilities, FOR FREE!,  Just pay shipping and handling.  Email me for particulars.

I think a good breeder does have a target market.  Show, work (depending on the breeder) then good pet homes for the balance.  I don't think  a dog has to come from titled stock in order to be a good pet, however; I wish all breeders would heed the SV & title then breed survey dogs before breeding.

Wow, I couldnt read this whole thing, made my head hurt. But Do Right: I agree with you. I know some outstanding untitled bitches with beautiful structure, excellent hips and rock hard temperaments, and I would buy a pup from them before I would buy one from certain titled females I've seen. Titles are proof that you are interested in the welfare of the breed's furture- but they ARE NOT the be all and end all of what makes a good dog. How many outstanding working K9 are out there with no title on them? I know dozens, and would jump at the chance to breed to them if the PD's allowed it.

As far as the lady with the ad....one year old, she should be ashamed of herself.

OMG do right.

LMAO right now

Do Right, that's what happens when both parents aren't titled or breed surveyed .

Blitzen:  That's a good one, however, I and my wife are titled.  She is a RN and I am (Depending on what year of my life), P.O., Sgt., SSgt, Lt., Det., etc, etc.  Not too mention HMFICAR.

Additionally, I have been "Breed Surveyed" many times (by the Marine Corps, the Navy and the Police Department) (I have had to bend over and cough a lot over the years), and both of my testicles are where they are supposed to be.

It was funny though.