what did Max mean? - Page 8

Marci, the dog you put a link to is pretty sad with his auto out. He dropped out of drive enough that the decoy got a step. Not trying to make fun of you, or the dog, just point out that it is bad. Hell Jinxie can do that well, and I do not work her because of her thresholds.

Jeff

If you can't tell the difference between a powerful dog and a dog begging for the sleeve in the blind, then you need to continue learning to read dogs.  I will admit that it is not as telling as a courage test, but come on. 

don:  laughing at the post by Judge Henning Serzer: at 2006 seiger show ;  9-12 month senior Puppy   females:  quote:  The first five dogs are critiqued: The last dog in this class it like me, too fat and not firm enough.  The next time you present this female she must be more drier and firmer............................but you must prepare your dogs better for the next show>"

Does any one listen to the judge?

Don, look, I figured out the way to change the letters! ! !

I see your statement as a training issue, and not a "what is the dog made of" issue.

True aggression looks 100% different from what you see in a B&H.

I know dogs that beg for the sleeve in the blind because they are trained to. I know BS dogs that stare at the helper and have a nice deep bark because they were trained to.

At what point is this something that we should judge a dog on??? Going by Sch standards (which are piss weak) Some of the most powerful ring dogs are all shit. They do not bunny hop, and only bark a couple of times. I have seen them run around the blind, yet these are dogs that far exceed the norm, and are quite civil. Without the behavior shaping, the B&H looks completely different.

So why would anyone look at this other than how the dog is trained, and how much prey drive is being frustrated???

I know you love the cool letters.

love the letters!  I have said it on here numerous times.  I hate to see the dog begging for a sleeve in the H&B.  It is supposed to be a guard.  Sometimes it is done because of training, others are trained like this because that is all they have.  Like I said earlier, I would love to see stricter standards put into place. 

look colors too!

Here is my problem. I used to go by Sch standards when I was a kid, because what else are you going to do??? Go along with the program kid, you are too young to know any better. Even then I questioned the B&H, but it was NOT what people where judging so much on.

An aggressive guard to me would be a dog standing stiff ready for the helper to move so that he can nail him. How many dogs can do this??? Could we shape this behavior like we can with everything else???

As an example, I have seen some really strong Mals in ring that go to the blind, bark once or twice, and then just stand there waiting for the decoy to move. I cannot see a way to shape that intensity. (yet)

There are things that need to change, and I do not see them changing EVER. Look how hard it is for people to just accept the obvious. Unless it comes out of the mouth of some current superstar podium trainer, then it must be shit. LOL

Until people start thinking for themselves, we are gonna stagnate and die

Fucked up the color thing. Here I thought I was hittin a new level of computer genius. : )

Different strokes, right? 

There are different dog sports because not every sport appeals to every person.  The thing is you can argue until the cows come home about which is better or worse but what's the point?  Not everyone wants to fight all the time. 

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There are different dog sports because not every sport appeals to every person.  The thing is you can argue until the cows come home about which is better or worse but what's the point?  Not everyone wants to fight all the time. 

For me, it honestly has nothing to do with the sports, although I do enjoy making fun of Sch. LOL It has everything to do with raising the bar, and illuminating misconceptions.

Not every dog should be able to achieve a Sch 3 or MR 3 or whatever "3". This is what I feel and unfortunately it is not true. In a good trainers hands, they will make it through.

I do bitch about Sch, but because they "the politicians" of the sport took it away from us. I am seriously concerned about the ring sports as well. Somehow it became some important thing that everyone succeed. I look at this mentality as a horrible thing to do.

I was like the first time that I found out that they were not keeping score at a little kids soccer game, because losing was bad for the children to experience.

For me, and it is fairly obvious, that the shift in Sch from one of character to one of OB, or something as rediculous as what a stupid B&H looks like is preposterous. It is a shaped behavior and little more. Depending on who trained it, that is what it is gonna look like.

Besides, do you really think that all those dogs out there with "pronounced" in the bitework are really that good???

"Not every dog should be able to achieve a Sch 3 or MR 3 or whatever "3". This is what I feel and unfortunately it is not true"

I agree with that 100%  The sport is not & should not be for everyone or their dogs.  The politicos have been bowing to pressure from those who would like to see our type of sport banished entirely.  Everything gets so watered down when trying to appeal  to a mass market.  "Pronounced" means nothing anymore.