Pups sold on limited or full registration - difference is price? - Page 13

4Pack:  We would love to have your expertise if you would like to come in on the Shepahuahuas.  As a matter of fact we are looking into tri colors - the Pandashepahuahua.

I'm leaning twords weinneruahuas myself. Just think how many small dogs I can shove into cages and sell for twice what I ask for GSD's. It boggles the mind! I have room for just 4 GSD's, where I could house 40 weinnerhuahuas. I can see the $$$ signs already. My palms are starting to itch. Anyone wanting to take these 2 stupid GSD's I have left off my hands? I'll even throw GARD's in for free if you take my 2. He has been looking at Malinois again anyway, I'm sure he wont even miss her.

Oh your so right, you can swing it that way. I guess I should give my pups for free with full reg, I wouldn't want to seem rude or pushy.

I would guess the reason Limited Registration has become so popular is the breeders who have worked so hard to develop their own line are at their wits ends with people who say all the right things but do something else.  I am reminded of a stud owner who perhaps is indiscriminate and lets whoever has the money have breeding rights to any old bitch.  Pretty soon, you hear about how that stud is not so hot because look at all the crap off spring! 

4Pack:  I actually used to have a friend who bred & imported coated weiners and also bred & imported working line GSD's! 

Testing the waters, we'll see how you do with the first "life" we give you, before you create 10 or 10,000 more lives with the litters you have.  You can't FORCE the breeder to sell on YOUR terms.  If you want what I have, you play by my rules.

QUOTING Ninja181 [If you sell a dog with limited registration and the person fulfills the needs to get the dog a full registration. He/She now has a full registration and can breed their dog, whats to say they don't breed it with some AKC registered floppy eared, partially white, teeth missing etc. dog?]

Pride in your dog and the efforts of accomplishment, perhaps.  Your own idea about "standards" might improve on the pathway there.  But if that toothless bitch has "such a great personality" I say GO FOR IT! ;-)

lots of input, my way of thinking........how in the world can anyone in there rightful mind predict the litter of ,lets say 8 week olds, is going to be " world class " or 100% OFA or all teeth present, or hips and elbows clear or over sized, or just because there is a pretty pedigree with beautiful dogs that the puppies turn out the same? I can name plenty more none breed worthy problems. Seen it on others seen it on mine.   

I find nothing wrong with Breeders taking advantage of the limited  to see the puppy again 1 year later to confirm if the dog turned out to be what was hoped for and along with it give advise.

The price is a different subject, like my Vet always says..just because a lot of money has been paid does not mean the dog is any better.

Anna

Some thoughts:

Would any of you purchase a book from me it I had you sign a contract that you must not skip any pages when reading it?

Would any of you purchase a motor vehicle if the seller had you sign a contract that you will never eat ice cream in it?

Would any of you purchase a pet parrot from me if I insisted that you sign a contract stating that you must allow the bird out of it's cage for 8 hours every day, or you may not breed it?

Would any of you purchase a horse from me if I would only sell it to you if you signed a contract that stated you can not breed it unless it wins a title in a recognized equestrian event?

Would any of you purchase a bull or cow from me if you had to sign a contract that you could not breed them unless they were first cleared by an authorized authority that their weight, size and meat to fat ratio, was proportionately correct?

Would any of you adopt a girl child, if you had to sign a contract with the adoption agency, stating that if the child did not get a college degree by the time she was 24, that you may not give her away at a wedding.

Now, re-read all of those and change them to "would you purchase those things if the car, horse, cow, parrot, adopted child,  or the book that you are not allowed to skip pages in while reading it, could all be had without those contracts or restrictions, for twice the price?

Seems to me that there are very few things in life that are sold with restrictions and that, even though there are many well intentioned sellers looking for the best homes for their "offspring" (pups , parrots or whatever), it has to be recognized that it also is about the money.  Otherwise, why are there different prices?  Sell the male pup with one testicle that has not dropped for the same price as the male who has both down.  Surely you want both pups to have equally good homes.  In fact.  The male pup with the one testicle not down, may actually be the best police dog, herding dog, military dog or Schutzhund dog, of the two.  Yes, he has a genetic fault, but his brother, even though he does not show the genetic fault, also carries it.

Don Corleone said it best.

I understand percentages, right and wrong, etc, but I do not believe in buying a anything with restrictions.  I am a grown up person, and can make my own decisions.  I don't need and will not accept someone else making them for me.  That is why I do not fasten my seat belt, no matter how many tickets I may have to pay.

This is all a moot and pointless argument anyway, as we will all do what we want in regard to this subject.  I will not buy pups from some here and some here will not sell pups to me.  What a great world.  Everything works like a clock.

Would you send your child to school, knowing that if he/she doesn't achieve a certain grade point average, he/she doesn't get a diploma?  There's many talented and successful people without a highschool diploma, and at least some learning can be accomplished in a socially stimulating environment.  This is what everyone fails to see here:  You can't prevent them from breeding, you only prevent them from registering litters with AKC.  But really, what makes AKC so important?  If you don't care about seatbelt tickets, why would you care if the pups you produce (which I assume you aren't keeping anyway) aren't AKC registered?  Must be about the money.  Buy the dog with limited registration and breed it anyway if that's not what it's about.  Maybe you'll learn a bit about breeding along the way, and want to do better in the end.

Ya lost me.  Guyess that is because I didn't finish high school.