Pups sold on limited or full registration - difference is price? - Page 14

"This is all a moot and pointless argument anyway, as we will all do what we want in regard to this subject." (DR&FNO)

I think that applies to just about every subject under the sun!

That is so true sue.

BTW you do not HAVE to register and insure a car to buy it, you do need to register and insure to drive it on a public road.  I have a classic Harley that has not been registered since '66 because it is never driven on the highways.

I persoanlly have always had two prices  and thought nothing of it. my resoan for them was this -  the actual price of the dog 800.00 but if you are going to spay or nueter then I give a 200.00 discount to off set the cost of altering. I just that was fair!

But reguardless if it is a working or pet they all are under OFAing. and have to have it done. This is for me, personally. I want to know what my dogs are producing Reguardless if they are pet or working. IF you only doing working then you have pieces of the puzzle missing.

and as for titles go, I am more worried about the dog getting trained. So we have a clause stating the dog has to have it's CGC award. After that it is up to the buyer (most of them get hooked or came hooked on training). 

just my 2 cents

OK, I know I'm gonna regret this but I've got to ask. Lilmeg surely you are not offering full registration on pups out of your male? So, this is your first ever GSD, who is immediately your "foundation male". You haven't got papers (even CKC?) on him. Only have half his pedigree and are selling the pups with full registration? And you have an anti-puppymill blurb on your website?

I must not be reading your site right.

You are reading the site wrong!

#1} Yukon our foundation stud has APR papers {he is registered} his litter was registered CKC by the way but the useless CKC is not forcing the breeder to register the individual pups.

#2} Nina/Yukon did you read that breeding.  $750 non breeding only.  Do not see any spot where it suggests there would be breeding rights.

#3} I would hope you would not be suggesting I am a puppy mill.  I have two dogs that I own.  I have produced one litter and the second litter is on the way.  My dogs all live in the house with my family.

Yup we have awesome dogs and have been blessed with such great mentors and wonderful advice from people who have been breeding/training working dogs for 40 years.  Lucky us.

We hit the jackpot with our first dog and our second bitch.  Awesome and we are on our way to be the best!

Have a great day!

WHAT?

LilMeg, I don't usually even respond to posts like yours, this time I am making an exception because you need to be outed so no novice reading this buys a dog from you without knowing the true.

First off your dog ,Yukon, is not registered with a legitimate dog registry. APR is the American Pet Registry where I could register any dog I picked up off the street as long as I paid the fee. You don't even know the motherline of his pedigree but brag about his bloodlines. Given your history, I'd have to wonder if the sire is correct. The CKC is traditionally very strict about breeders in Canada selling dogs as purebred and not providing the registration papers.  Your story is hard to buy and it makes me wonder if your dog is acutally 100% GSD. How do you know if you don't have his official CKC registration or at least his entire pedigree which BTW could also be bogus. I know plenty of other people who have not received registration papers as promised. They are ethical and do not use these dogs for breeding by trying to legitimize them with a registration number from a phoney registry. The Amish  puppymillers here in PA all use the APR. Does that tell you anything?

The photo of the dam of this litter is a longcoat on  your site, but you have put up a photo of a different dog here on this data base. This time it's a stockhair that you have identifed as the same dog. Which dog is it? You also very boldly declared here that - so what if I'm breeding a coat, I've got short coats out of 2 longcoats. When I told you if that was so, your have an incorrect pedigree, coat x caot = 100% coat always,  you got angry.

You state on your site that "hip xrays are a waste of time" and that "if an 8 year old dog is jumping, the dog is OK". You do not vaccinate any of your puppies,  you say you lost 2 to allergic reactions, and tell your buyers that dogs only ever need one vac at 12 months of age.  Anyone who breeds dogs the right way is going to have doubts about your intelligence and intent just by reading those 2 statements.

I have not looked at your list of mentors, who cares?

It is not necessary to breed mulitple litters to be termed a puppymill. Sometimes all it takes is for an ignorant person to get a  dog and a bitch and breed them the cheapest way they can like no hip or elbow xrays or no vacs for the  pups.

BTW, Meg, what the hell are "H.O.T. TT, PP1, PP2" titles? When breeders/owners/handlers use the term HOT it  applies to dogs that have earned an official performance title like a Sch I. Not to indicate a dog that has passed a temperament test while the owner holds on to the end of the leash.  PP1 and PP2? Never heard of either. I believe you say on your site that means Personal Proctection? Did you get that from the Amercian Pet Registry too or from the Cracker Jack box?  If they are legit titles, what registry issues them? 

Gimme a break..............but a chiapet.

Back to the original thread, there was no option of limited registration when I bred my first litters, so pets had to go with neutering agreements so it was necessary to follow through to be sure the contracts were honored.  It was a pain in the butt. I liked to have copies of the certificates of spay/castration on hand for my records and in case I needed to make good on a contract. Back then there were only 3 major registeries in North America, The AKC, CKC, UKC. AKC and CKC were reciprocal, UKC only registered dogs that were eligible for either. If that were still so, then the AKC limited registration would do what it's intended to do. As it is, anyone can buy a pet quality dog with an AKC limited registration and register it with the APR or another such regsitry. The limited reg does not forbid breeding the dog, it just forbids registering the puppies with AKC, right?

Most everyone here knows that there are a number of bogus registries now offering numbers to all dogs.  This is the way the commercial breeders stay out of the AKC/CKC paperwork loop; they use a registry that has no rules. The dogs they register do not even need to be purebred, from purebred parents,  or from a recognized breed. All they need is an owner with the registration fee. In this respect, the limited registration is of little pratical use since those like our LilMeg, the ultimate GSD breeder, will get ineligible puppies registered with one of these bogus registries and sell them to uneducate buyers. These buyers most likely do not know or care about the difference between a genunie registry and a bogus one, so they add to the overpopulation by breeding their dogs too.

I would buy a GSD with a limited registration for a pet price because I would only be interested in a pet, have no desire to breed anymore dogs of any breed. I personally know of breeders in other breeds who have misjudged puppies they sold as pets and who have later lifted the limited registration designation so the dogs could be shown and bred. It works if it's used the way it's intended.

I think limited/ full registration is a good thing. I believe that the price difference is important. I know that spaying or neutering costs a good bit, and i try to compensate for that. i encourage people who are just looking for a pet, to spay or neuter. there are alot of GSDs out there who are rotting away in pounds. I find that sad. there are people out there who are breeding dogs like crazy and selling them in pet stores and walmart parking lots for only $200. many dogs like that are going to end up in pounds. sad things like this are why i encourage spaying and neutering.

~Ashley