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yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 12 November 2007 - 02:11

Zues's dog just earned his Schutz 1 last week.....He decided to have a Schutzhund police dog.... He put the pd before the schutz , I believe....he can explain....   I just wanted to acknowledge his new accomplishment with a super gsd.....he is one good representative of an all a round tough gsd.....

Congratulations  to    Zeus and his   SchH 1


gsdsch3v

by gsdsch3v on 12 November 2007 - 02:11

I saw a change in Barbie's confidence level and focus when we did muzzle training with her.  We still use it in different training scenarios when we want to eliminate equipment.  Our PD training group (we do our monthly training with Benton County (WA) sheriff's office ) is debating about whether or not to start one of the young dogs in muzzle work before the sleeve.  

 

Colleen and K9 Barbie


AgarPhranicniStraze1

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 12 November 2007 - 02:11

southtexan- Indeed that was a very good article.  Answered just about all my questions.  Probably the only benefit I can see in ever introducing my dog to the muzzle would be to teach him to target other parts of the body like back, chest...but that can be accomplished with a bite suit I'd imagine.... in any event thank you for the article and also to olskoolgsd-good to hear from you and glad to see you came out of cognito.


AgarPhranicniStraze1

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 12 November 2007 - 02:11

Xeus- Congrats to you.  Sounds like you have some bragging rights....please do share with us your accomplishment.  So nice to have a positive topic.  Funny how all of a sudden the quality of posters have finally resurected themselves.  What a breath of fresh air.


yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 12 November 2007 - 03:11

Yes Agar, it is needed....Since I worked with two police depts in their dog programs, years ago...I have watched and been a part of the muzzle training....it is interesting....and yes , it is designed to teach the dog to be in control ,,to gain or have confidence in itself,,,

The muzzle must be introduced and the dog learn that it is just a muzzle...You can put the  muzzle on and take a bike ride  , with him following along,,,,take him for walks with the muzzle on....its called  socializing the muzzle to the dog...because the last thing you want is to associated agression from the dog everytime you put the muzzle on....

A lot of training schools, believe to train the muzzle work before the sleeve work....it kind of makes it easier...after the dog has its confidence and has learned , from\ the agitator , that he is the one warding off the agitator,,,and he has been given the opportunity to work , with intense attention on the agitator,or the suspect,,,in case of apprehension....he learns tthat the bark   brings him  immediate retreat,, and everytime he barks the agitator retreats and then re approached until the dog sees that contact is needed and he never takes his eyes off the agitator....a good agitator and an instructed handler are the key.....the dog quickly learns he is the reason the agitator retreats.....after work on a 6 ft leash , for weeks ,,,and the handler is instructed to never pull back on leash , so the dog keeps full concentration on the afitator,,,the agitator moves in for th dog to use body contact....Agitator keeps his hands away from muzzle, never using them exept to beat his chest to show dog to encourage high hits,

The dog is learning that he doesnt need a bite...the dog uses his barking and his posturing to ward off the suspect....he learns that he is not looking for an arm with a sleeve...(sleeve Happiness) and that that big body ,or any equipment


by Get A Real Dog on 12 November 2007 - 03:11

Olskool (as ususal) gave a good description of the hows, whys and benifits of muzzle work.

One thing that is often missed when discussing muzzle work is social dominance. I think this is the most important aspect of muzzle work. When done with certain techniuques, muzzle work hightens the social dominance of a dog. This taps into their instictual compultion to be the "top dog" and heps with their psycological willingness to win the fight.

When you see it done (and I don't see it much anymore) it is a beautiful thing to watch.


AgarPhranicniStraze1

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 12 November 2007 - 03:11

So in other words if you have a dog that is fully confident and he is not equipment (sleeve happy) oriented then the muzzle would really serve no purpose to train with right??

At least that's what I gathered from the article and the above posts....


by Get A Real Dog on 12 November 2007 - 03:11

No Agar. Muzzle work is benificial even with this type of dog, but if you do too much of it, or in a wrong way, it will definatley cause problems.

I never take the mindset of a dog "doesn't need" any type of training. It depends on the individual dog and the goals of the handler. I think all dogs (even Sch dogs) can benifit from muzzle work. It just has to be done correctly and with a specific goal in mind. The best trainers balance a dog in all drives and instinctual compultions. Some are just not comfortable in things they don't have knowlege or experience in. i.e. table work


by Gustav on 12 November 2007 - 03:11

Olskool and others are very enlightening,

i have worked many many dogs in muzzles and quite frankly if my dog won't do muzzle work I would feel something is lacking. It is a good barometer to see what your dog is made of . As one poster said, it sorta of proofs the dog. It shows how a dog will respond to a situation with his most powerful weapon nuetralized. I am a firm firm believer in the use of muzzles and I have never known this training to adversely affect a GOOD dog whether it is doing Sch or  police or Personal protection. A good dog will enjoy the activity.


AgarPhranicniStraze1

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 12 November 2007 - 03:11

Gard- what are some of the bad outcomes that can ocur with doing too much muzzle work?  My trainer is a former k9 handler who's also done schutzhund so he has extensive knowledge on muzzle work.  I would be comfortable with him working my dog in a muzzle if like you said he had a specific purpose for doing so.  At this point when I questioned if that was something we'd get into he said "we could", but there's other things that we're gonna work on that I feel are more beneficial in serving your purpose with the dog.  Here's part of the problem....the dog is more advanced than his handler. lol  That's the honest to goodness truth and I say that without any shame it in.  The dog is just truly amazing.  Each week I see him progressing to a higher level and he makes me very proud. 






 


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