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by Steve Leigh on 19 November 2007 - 21:11

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by Gustav on 19 November 2007 - 22:11

Calvin,

I know this dog and the type of temperament that he has with his age and background and you have a dog that will perform when asked to without one element changing another. One of the things you must understand about this dog is that he is rock solid. A lot of people really don't understand the strongest of shepherd temperament. I will analogize it like these two boxers. Mike Tyson...super tough, fast hard and could conquer most everything in his path. There are dogs like that that are super good sch/police dogs. But a stronger temperament than Mike is Evander Hollyfield. Why ? because of his toughness, hardness, clearheadness and resilency. To the novice the Tyson type is the most impressive and don't get me wrong you can go to any level with the tyson type. But Andy is like the Hollyfield type in that his rock solid clearness in the head and toughness, and(this is the big one) his biddability to be trained the way that is taught him make him special.

Therefore with a dog like this you can do multiple types of training at high levels and the dog will react to what is needed and asked. Not many dogs like that today. They are either smart and soft, or more drive than brains, but real shepherd breeding and working has to think and do what is asked and still be tough. Muzzle training often flushes these characteristics out. Trust me if Steve had grabbed an ear an twisted the dog would have turned another page. But why do that to let somebody who doesn't read dogs be able to see it. Its not necessary. And I don't mean you Calvin, I just mean the dogs does what is necessary for the occaison!


by Xeus on 19 November 2007 - 22:11

One thing people need to understand is that muzzle work is not something you do on a young dog.  Young I mean one who is still learning how and where to bite properly.  Muzzle work is one of the final steps to make a dog street ready.  Also you dont do muzzle work all the time, you would probably do it once every few months if that.  So you would still keep the full hard bite.  Also for the sport people who just train for the sport thasn no you would not need to do muzzle, but remember that then dont rely on your sch111 to really protect you.  Your sport dog may protect you but remember the unknown is scarier than the known.....


by Steve Leigh on 20 November 2007 - 03:11

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by Preston on 20 November 2007 - 05:11

Steve, thanks so much for sharing all this inside knowledge. I think you are very accurate in what you assert here in your posts from the little bit I know from back int the 1980's.   An acquaintance of mine with contacts within the BKA once told me about what he called "special anti-terrorism GSDs" which were part of a secret program that could not be discussed openly (at that time).  He said these dogs were trained with a very narrow set of tasks and would get and keep control of the terrorist when dispatched, and that they were incapable of experiencing any fear at all at anytime.  That they were bred, selected and trained for this purpose and were amazing animals.  This was during the times of the miner-badhof (sp?) eruption in Germany in 1982 if I remember correctly. You have filled in the blanks for me about these dogs which I did not know were called SEK dogs.  Thanks so much for sharing this hard to get information.  I too find schutzhund work as you describe it, boring after awhile.  To me It is not real world.  For those who like it for proving a dogs temperament so they can show it in confirmation, great.  For those who really like competing in it as a sport, fine.  It's just not my thing.


by DDRshep on 20 November 2007 - 07:11

Steve, do you remember which bloodlines these SEK dogs predominantly came from? Were there bloodlines that were more common or it was more a matter of individual dog selection and their lines were from all over? Or was it mainly a matter of nurture instead of nature, ie, these SEK dogs were selected as puppies then raised accordingly?


by Steve Leigh on 20 November 2007 - 07:11

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by Steve Leigh on 20 November 2007 - 08:11

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GSDfan

by GSDfan on 20 November 2007 - 12:11

Steve Said:

) I just wish he was younger (and me, too!!), and you really wanted to do this kind of thing - plus I wish you lived a block away! LOL! I could light that lil' guy up but GOOD!

You and me both, if I lived a block from you I might just take you up on the offer.

Regards,

Melanie


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