What are the benefits to doing muzzle work? - Page 9

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Hi Steve,

       I think that most people have never seen a dog in truly serious mode. Most people have seen intense which can be mistaken for serious. I find that serious cannot really be seen unless by a very experienced eye. Serious can be felt by almost anyone. I feel that the muzzle is an excellent way to bring out the seriousness but most people dont take it far enough or do the right things.

Since this thread showed itself again I figure I'll post another "Maulkorb" video for your viewing pleasure, lol.

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Im not trying to make anyone mad but Ill give my honest opinion. 1) The dog looks like he is just beginning this type of work. He really isnt serious yet. He looks like he is trying to figure out what is going on. About half way into it he looks like he is starting to lose interest.  2) The helper isnt putting enough pressure on the dog to make him serious. Could be an inexperienced helper. A dog that is strong in this type of work will hurt the decoy without protection. 3) The handler isnt communicating to the dog what is required. Basically it looks like chaos to me but I wasnt there. :)

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Scout, The dog is almost 8yrs old...the video was only the second time he has done this since he was trained for Maulkorb at 3 yrs old (before I owned him).  So Steve is correct  when he says "Any confusion on the dog's part is - to me - caused by the lack of consistency in doing this work."

I have done this a couple times just because I knew he was already trained for it and I just wanted to see it for myslef (my twisted idea of fun).  If he was 3yrs old and I was a cop OR if I lived in the "hood" and NEEDED a serious PPD, we would certainly TRAIN for this and train regularly the way it should be done (as Steve describes...with flanking) if there was a purpose.  But I'm not a cop he's not 3 and I don't live in the hood, so it was all in good fun. 

STEVE, boy you know how to make a woman blush, lol.  Yes he looks alot better the second time around, I tried to take your advice and not interfere as much.  But I have not practiced at all since the first video...these two were his only two times doing this WITH ME since I got him at 5 yrs old.  I believe he just was able to recall better the second time since there wasn't 4 years inbetween malukorb sessions like there was the first time.

the dog IS serious - he isn't as "hot" as a dog that gets this work regularly.  If I could have been the helper here, I would have flanked the dog, or tried to lift him off the ground by his balls - this is just me - I would have set this dog on FIRE.

Very true Steve, like I said if there was a purpose this would be done, and he would be pushed and YES if the decoy flanked him he would have lit up like the sky on 4th of July!  

Andy and I have a very good relationship, he respects prong, choak and e-collar corrections, is eager to please in OB and has NEVER put his mouth on me.  BUT I flanked him once for a crooked sit...he didn't bite me but...well, he let me know it was NOT cool.  Nuff said. 

The drug indication part of the video looked pitiful to me, but again, this is nothing

Ouch, you just couldn't keep it nice, lol.  No worries.  This was only done with me this one time, I was told he was dual purpose and just wanted to see it...again, the first time he had done Narc indication in about 3-4years...out of practice and bad handling.  I thought he did pretty well zero-ing in on the target and indicating on the mark and correct, proving to me what I wanted to see.  It was a test, that is all.  If I had time to "work" it regularly on top of everything else...I would.

wants the helper's FACE - yeah man!

Lol, yeh, he started guarding ON the helper...I kinda liked it but thought it would be a problem with points.  But Jerry Bradshaw (founder of PSA) says it's NO problem.  Thank goodness, now I don't have to "fix" it....just gott tell the decoy to keep his nose up, lol.

But I'd whup your ass for just "playing" with this kind of training with this kind of dog. 

Yeh, I know...BUT that's why I am drawing the line with working it and not TRAINING it (flanking, ball grabbing and what not).  That's probably

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