Facts in Black and White - Page 3

Brian, the whites are one thing, it is something that clearly is not up to German standards and should not be allowed to be bred,Germany still does not aknowledge them nor should we here in the United States,every time something like a white or that panda whatever the hell it is allowed to reproduce it's self it weakens the German Shepherd breed as a whole. Look what is winning in the american show rings today,does this look like a true German, German shepherd? Most are a ghost of what the dog should be and are lucky if they can do anything other then run around the ring with it's handler a few times,roached back to the point that they look like freakin camels. It is not any one thing that is going to ruin the breed of dog in it's self but when you add everything up.... Dawn Marie, don't take this the wrong way but if you have to ask then more likely then not you are part of the problem

Charlie i meant not disrespect to you, i was sincerely asking which standard you mean. We know the show line has changed from the original intent of Capt Max.. its no secret... and i was really wondering which standard you were referring to. I guess basically it was a comment to show that yes some Am Bred breeders when they "changed" the standard back in the early 40's and 50's and tried to make the GSD a more graceful moving shepherd for herding etc... had taken the standard and twisted it to what their conception was, and bred away, very much so. BUT the Showlines shepherd too changed from what Capt Max had intended.. i guess in a round about way the working line folks kinda kept it pretty close to what the original standard was for. You have to admit that the roach look was NOT what was supposed to be... i think they kinda got away from the "herding" shepherd and tried to create a more "schH" shepherd, if you will. The Am Breds claim that the Am Bred can herd sheep much longer than the structure of the showline german dog with the short couple and roachier back... they are to not tired as easy... now is that true? not sure... i have never seen a contest between the two. Kirchental probably has more knowledge.. actually i dont see them as a roachy back dog.. but i havent seen any in person. There are AWFUL Am Bred breeders that think extreme is good but its NOT its not in any area of the GSD. When we breed for extreme we breed for extinction. very true words. There is a breeder on the East Coast, who herds.. she does "C" course the American HGH if you will (i know not even close but its better than A or B course lol) but she explains it best and she does NOT have the Am Breds you are thinking of.. not at all... she has CORRECT dogs. and these dogs can herd ! I know its hard to believe but there really are many Am Bred breeders trying to do the right thing... they dont all believe that just because a dog is protection titled that its the cureall. they have nice conformation, no hock walkers, or a$$ dragging dogs, correct fronts, no extremes, big heads, strong backs, they are titled at both ends and not bred til then. most Puppy buyers could care less about protection titled dogs... some i have found are afraid of it. so i think some Am Breds kinda went that away from the SchH stuff years ago because of that. ... there are puppy homes that have nice couch potato german dogs too... i have had both. My german girls are easier to live with than my Am Bred male lol He is in tune with everything around us and who is coming and going in the house.. funny thing is my Am Bred male is clear in the head, has protection work foundation (didnt title him yet lack of funds last year... but will) and i feel more safe with him than the two females together, and they both have sound temperament. he has herding experience, very obedient, a bit dominent, does lack the drive of a german dog.. but i have no problem with that.. we got him for my son and he does OB with my 11 yr old and jr handling.. he is a tougher american dog and is not afraid of anything (that i have seen yet lol) Anyway.... i dont feel i am part of any problem i think you just misunderstood my question perhaps you mean the standard of today which i think the showlines are doing much better and i think if they add making passing elbows part of the requirement, its even better in regards to Elizabeth, see i am not as bad as you seem to think i am for whatever reason i still cant figure out why you have it in for me :)

Thats not GSD. End of story. They cannot get any papers for these dogs, can they? A breed warden (GSD judge) must check puppies, all necesary documents abuot mating, and sign for their papers in my country. New breed my butt. Let us see if they can register the "breed".

Charley, I think you might have misunderstood me. I think whites are bad enough but that "Panda" Thing is even worse. I also agree that the white shepherd is not a true german shepherd. I was just trying to make a point that the Panda is even sicker than a white.

No problem. I agree with you this is sickening.

I can't believe that the breeder of this dog didn't drowned it, or at least spay her befor she gave her away. i hope she didnt' sell her. We should all find and send hate mail to the breeder. This is thier fault.

Dawn, I'm not looking for an argument with you or anybody else for that matter but here is my take on it...How many standards are there?There can/should be only one standard no? And what we are seeing in the AKC sanctioned trials and shows....... does one consider that look if you will the original breed standard? Old Capt. Max would be turning in his grave at some of todays standards.......Who the hell is the AKC? or for that matter UKC? who gave or what gives them the right to set any standard for anything?all the AKC is a breed registary period, and maintain the stud books....big deal, somone mentioned the Aussie? cool dog if you ask me but untill very recently the AKC said there is no such breed....lol..what is that all about? I'm not attacking just american bred shepherds, the same goes for a lot of the West German showlines, a lot of dogs getting titles over here in the states that might not be entitled too them if they were still in Germany mataining any breed standard is difficult without a bunch of politically motivated little old ladies trying to maintain something they no nothing about.....There is only one standard

Sorry to burst your bubble...but the AKC did check all the DNA to make sure that it came from said parents. And they are regeistered. What's REALLY funny is that the sire is from ALL German WORKING lines!! lol PIKE S. Harro, Fero Got them all...lol Sire's name is Brian von Wolper Lowen SchH3. They have bred them and gotten all mutations except for one. To me it is a shame. No "LOOK OF EAGLES" there!!!! Since we can not stop them I suggest that they make them register them separatly. It would do us all some good to go look at the original site to find out the lines that this comes from. http://www.lewcinkaskennels.com/index1.html Still laughing about the WORKING LINES!! Debby

meow meow deb - if a working line person posted that 50 people would jump down thier throat! look at pikes 7 gen and look at guccis...they have a common VA grandfather, Mutz von der Pelztierfarm - who is working and who is show? Isnt' there a movement to bring the factions into a better understanding and tolerance? we all agree that this is an atrocity - we all agree that the AKC rules - GSDCA standard lacks quality control. Why turn this into an attack on the working dogs? One of the advantages of these forums should be to promote understanding??? Dave

"Still laughing about the WORKING LINES!!" Debby Why? I guess I should say I still laugh about how most showlines look like their balls are tied with weights causing them to be so roached backed. Which looks structurally unsound. I agree Dave why turn this into an attack on working lines?