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by ilovemygsdnenz on 04 February 2008 - 05:02

i was reading the vom banach k9 thread and noticed a dog was mentioned that was trained to the door, meaning it attacked someone if they came thru the door unannounced. i find this very interesting as nenz is the same way. my boyfriend is upset about it. his best friend comes over almost every day and when he goes out the back door for a smoke, when he comes back in, nenz goes off on him, usually barks and growls very loud. he hasn't bitten him, although i was told he jumped up at him one day. my boyfriend told his friend to do whatever he wanted to fend off my dog, so he tried kicking him but nenz jumped back before it could connect. i also have a good friend who visits often, though not every day. he says he is afraid of nenz too. however, when he goes out back, he yells to nenz, hi nenz, i'm back, as he comes in, and nenz is fine, doesn't bark or growl or anything. i don't know if he was ever trained to do this or if it's natural. he was a showdog in germany, do they train showdogs to do that?  my boyfriend is really upset at this behavior but i really do appreciate it and feel safe with him watching our residence. he seems to "forget" someone is here as soon as they go out the back door, although he is fine if they annouce their return. he doesn't like someone suddenly walking into the living room from the kitchen where the back door is. my boyfriend is really annoyed. what do you think, is this good or bad?


by Karly on 04 February 2008 - 06:02

Personally, i think that's great as long as you can control him. &, personally, i'd break a person's leg if they tried to kick my dog ;-). I'd tell your boyfriend to hit the road if he doesn't like it. My blue heeler is that way & he saved me late one night when one of our disgruntled ex-employees came creeping around the ranch. We are a long way from anywhere & Peppers is better than a gun! I'd never be without a mean dog :-). & i didn't train him to be that way, it's totally natural. But he calls out of any situation at one word from me & i never let him get into a situation where he could get in trouble. When he alerts, i let him bark & praise him if i don't know what it is. If i know there's no danger, i hold him & calm him down til he's quiet while praising him. I have also found that my dogs are better at judging character than i am! ;-) ~Krystin

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 04 February 2008 - 09:02

ditto on get rid of the boyfriend   ....and the guy that kicked at my dog would be pushing up daisies....

Your headed for big problems ,,,sounds like you have an arrogant , very disrespectful man on your hands....that kind of person will get bit and cause your other house guests to get bit and the first one that turns you and the dog in ,,you will lose your dog..to the animal control.....

Either get rid of the boy f and his smart alec friends or sell the dog ...You dont treat a german shepherd like that, and if your not sure of what you bought,,why did you buy him....?

I think the dog is protecting his domain and you....hes got a 6th sense , and it might bid you to pay attention to the dog...........


by ilovemygsdnenz on 04 February 2008 - 09:02

ok, thank you for your responses. i just wanted to make sure i wasn't overreacting before telling him to stop complaining about my dog or i'll pack up and move. nenz is doing exactly what i want him to do and it's my boyfriend who has a problem with it. it's nenz and spunky who are always with me, ready to go do anything together at a moment's notice and never give me no for an answer. nenz was free, and is a great family dog. my five year old daughter can take toys out of his mouth, food out of his bowl, etc (although she is usually putting food in it, sneaks in chips, popcorn, etc). my cats sleep with him and even my pet hamsters are safe exploring around him. he is good at making alot of noise, but not biting. he let 2 drunks walk in the apartment at 1 a. m. a couple weeks ago. he sat up and went woof, woof. they walked in anyway. i keep the door locked at all times now.


AgarPhranicniStraze1

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 04 February 2008 - 13:02

I'm actually surprised that the end result of the dog getting kicked was with him backing off rather than sending this idiot on a trip to the hospital to reattach one of his limbs. lol 

Typically dogs that have been trained to bite weather it be for sport or real I'd never test with having someone try to kick or strike them in any type of aggressive fashion because I'd almost bet the house they'd bite; and rightfully so BUT do you really want to have your dog taken away by a humane agent over some jackass being stupid??

Sounds like he's a good bluff dog with making a lot of noise and alerting you to someone coming BUT I'd still lock doors and be aware especially if your indicating he's already allowed 2 drunks in your home at 1 am.  Usually the presence of a big dog barking is enough to make one stop and think before entering BUT in your case that did not stop them and your dog did not seem to mind it either.

I'm not suggesting since you have small children you'd want a dog that would nail the first person to walk through your door-that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.  But he should react appropriately to a threat and being kicked IS a threat.  No one would DARE attempt to kick, strike or act retarded in my home around my dogs.  If you're calm, they are calm if you act crazy they WILL get crazy. It's common sense and your BF and Guests should be respectful of your animals.  You'd never let them kick your child would you??  BF need to be put in check!


shasta

by shasta on 04 February 2008 - 14:02

 Am I the ONLY person who thinks this is a disaster waiting to happen folks? 5 year old daughter, cats and hamsters with a dog in the house that won't let people come in and out of doors? That conveniently "forgets" when someone has already been allowed in? 

Sorry, my protection dog should be under MY control, and not just go off because someone walked through a door in a non threatening manner. Granted, if they were acting threatening (the guy kicking at the dog is an idiot and would have deserved to have been bit) that'd be a whole other story. But if someone was already in the house, walked outside, walked back in, and the dog perceives that as a threat? Ilovemygsdnenz sounds like you need another boyfriend, and it sounds like you're scared of being where you're at...why else would you love a dog that is acting like this? 

This dog sounds like he's walking on eggshells, someone might appear into a room unannounced and he might have to go off at any given second... 

This personally is not a dog that would make ME feel safe. He is full of bluster yes, but he's walking on eggshells and reacting to non threats. PLease note, you said that he was barking and leaping at the guy, and THEN the boyfriend told the guy to kick the dog..so the dog was reacting BEFORE the guy was threatening, and this guy needs to be gone, and the boyfriend who told the guy to kick the dog would be out on his arse faster then you could say "get him" if this was me. 

Also, this could escalate, and you need to do something to get control of it. The dog went from growling/barking, to apparently jumping at someone, without it all being under your control..what's next? What happens when your daughter has friends over, and one of the kids walks outside, then walks back into the room unannounced because that's what kids do? 

And Karly, you're also waiting for a disaster. First you say you have a dog you can call out with a word from you (though you never trained for protection so how do you know you could call him off a bite?) and then you say when you see there's no danger you have to hold the dog and praise him? That is NOT an out...that is a dog making up his own mind to do whatever he wants to do, and you praise him for it. You'd be better served if this is the kind of dog you like to have the dog evaluated and work with a GOOD protection training to get an alarm bark and out. Not just let the dog choose when to be aggressive, and maybe be able to call the dog off.... And if the dog doesn't have the temperment for an alarm bark and out then this behavior should not be encouraged. 

 


sueincc

by sueincc on 04 February 2008 - 14:02

Shasta, I was thinking along very similar lines as what you have posted, but figured maybe I was missing something.  With regards to the dog backing off when it was kicked at, I think that's a pretty normal reaction, the average dog IS all about a bluff.  If my dog displayed this kind of reaction to someone who stepped out then stepped back in, my reaction and concerns would be the same as yours, Shasta.


by ilovemygsdnenz on 04 February 2008 - 15:02

personaly i dont see any harm that nenz is doing. i know nenz really good. he has NEVER done anything to harm ilovemygsdnenz 5 year old daughter. nenz loves and pertects ilovemygsdnenz and her daughter really good. i see nothing wrong with nenzs behaviour at all. he is a loving and caring dog. did anyone ever stop to think maybe thats how nenz was taught in germany is to attack when someone leaves then come back in if they dont anounce that they are coming back in. how is nenz really supose to know who it is that is coming in the apartment for sure. to him it could be anyone and alll he is doing is his job and that is to PERTECT his family!!!      precious


by ilovemygsdnenz on 04 February 2008 - 15:02

 i used to keep him tied on a leash when company was over, until the drunks walking in incident. i think he thought he was tied then but he wasn't. i said to him afterwards, why didn't you bite them, you stupid dog? he started getting worse right after that. could he actually have understood that?  i don't think he was ever trained for any protection work, really. i was told he was started, but he never earned titles or anything. i did not see the supposed lunging incident, was only told about it. i was in a different room napping when it happened. i witnessed an incident lately where phil came back in the room and i watched to see what nenz would do. he was laying down and sat up, saying woof woof. phil stopped and nenz looked at him and laid back down. a minute later my boyfriend was yelling across the room, nenz lunged at him again! the reason that nenz will jump back before a hit or kick can get him is that the first place we lived when i got him, i found out after we moved the neighbor upstairs kept a large stick by a tree in the yard, and she hit him with it every time she came in the yard. he was afraid of people for a long time after that. yes, i am scared of where i am living at, we are in the highest crime neighborhood in the city. i had 5 dogs stolen near here, bikes taken out of my yard, etc. we are in a neighborhood where mugging, knifings, kidnappings, even gunshots are common everyday occurences. if i am in the room with him, i tell him to platz and he drops to the floor and is quiet. if i am not in the room, he doesn't listen to anybody but me. as for child friends, my daughter is in special ed. she has no friends coming over nor is she likely to anytime in the near future. my only friend that comes over lets nenz know he is coming back in and nenz is fine. my boyfriend has 2 friends over at the most. i did see nenz nip my ex once when he is over. he said it hurt but there was no blood. he said nenz is a good dog and it was his fault for getting bit because he went in his area after nenz had warned him.


by ilovemygsdnenz on 04 February 2008 - 15:02

thank you precious. now log me out of your computer, lol, it remembered me from last time i was at your house






 


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