Puppy Contracts, 50% discount for replacement? - Page 6

here you go, Blitzen

Duh..............

My Onyx  (imported as a puppy) had mild dysplasia in one hip, moderate in the other. I wouldn't have traded his for the world! He lived to be 12.5, a little arthritic after 10, but still able to climb the stairs to sleep on my bed till the day before he passed (of a fast-growing tumor on his pancreas that suddenly hemmoraged). Along the way he managed at least 10x SchH3, (notorious for taking down helpers "at speed" on the courage test), many times FH, 2nd Place in the DVG National FH Championship, 1st Place in the NW Regional Championship, "Tag Sieger" (Day Champion) in an FH "Shoot Out" in miserable, driving rain, earning 96V while a couple of WUSV world team members' dogs failed, 100pts V, Tag Sieger in a 75 yr. Jubilie Trial in Germany, besides being my constant companion and best friend, traveling with me many thousands of miles by land, sea and air for business and pleasure. If we had not seen the x-ray, we would never have guessed his hips weren't perfect.

We did NOT show him the x-rays. LOL

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Below: Onyx with Gary Park working the back half in the '95 North American, Albequerque, NM.

I'm one of "those breeders" that offers 50% discount for a replacement pup (when choosing to keep the original).  Shouldn't you "run" faster if a breeder offers a 100% discount?  Would you leap all over a 0% discount?!

Truth is, I've replaced less than 1% of pups from my breeding program, and in that single instance I gave 100% discount and the right to keep the first pup anyway.  What kind of breeder do you think I am?  The only other pup I've ever replaced was for one that died prematurely due to a physical accident, and not covered by contract (obviously).

The obvious reason for this is, IT'S GOOD BUSINESS, and I genuinely care about my program.  What would you prefer?

I'd prefer, to buy from a breeder who refunds 100% on a dog they  represent and price as show/breeding potential if that dog doesn't turn out due to a disqualifying fault. If I pay a pet price then I would expect less and a 50% refund would be acceptable and fair. 

I don't sell with breeding rights myself, pending on proven working ability and a passing ofa exam.  But a 5 year 100% guarantee for replacement, and 50% only if you decide to keep the original dog.  I'm unaware of a better guarantee in writing than that.

I looked at your contract on the net and what you are saying isn't exactly true. Your guarantee is not 100%  for 5 years as it does not cover hips after the dog reaches 13 months of age and then only if it's what you decide is "GENETIC hip dysphagia". BTW, it's dysplasia. I don't see any mention at all of elbows - would that be included in what you call "genetic diseases"?.

I will give you credit for selling all with limited registration and that you will lift only if the dog gets an OFA number or a minimum of a Sch I. It also looks like you only charge $390 for a puppy, is that right? If so, then you are selling all your pups for the lowest price I've ever seen for a GSD from titled parents. Maybe that's just the deposit?

 "The puppy will be free of GENETIC hip dysphagia for the first year of life. "

"A. Return the puppy, at buyer's own expense, and along with all AKC papers signed over to seller to receive a replacement puppy from the next available litter of equal value and Quality or you pay the difference for a  higher priced puppy".

"B Keep the puppy, and receive 1/2 (one half) off the current purchase price of a replacement puppy."

"It is felt that genetics plays between a 25% - 30% role in the dog developing hip Dysphasia. Other causes are:   Dietary Deficiency, Over exertion as in too mcuh exercise at a young age and obesity. Because we the breeder have no control over how you feed, exercise or what activities (dog sports, jogging) you are iinvolved in with you pup we can only offer a replacement for Genetic Hip  Dysphagia tha developes by the time the puppy is one year old. This replacement warrantie expires at age 13 months."

Exactly how do you decide if hip dyplasia is genetic or caused by the buyer and where did you get those figures? What about a dog that has a normal preliminary at or before 12 months but does not pass OFA at 24 months? Honestly, this deal with only covering "genetic" HD gives you, the breeder, a lot of wiggle room to get out of honoring the hip part of every one of your contracts for every pup you have ever bred and sold. Essentially you can say any pup you have bred that doesn't clear it's x-ray at or before one year of age was mishandled by the buyer and you will never have to replace a dog for having HD.  I'd love to know how you  can tell which dogs have genetic dysplasia and which have it due to poor handling.

I see that you " warrantie for 5 years from the date of birth, against genetic diseases, allergies, heart problems, thyroid problems, or if the dog's death is directly due to a congenital health problem as diagnosed by a veterinarian. After a German Shepherd leaves our facility of course _____ Geman Shepherd can no longer be responsible for any kind of accidental death or from any contagious disease or other reason not caused by, or which is outside of the immediate and direct control of ______German Shepherds." This so

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This sounds fair to me.

My belief is, that if a dog has dysplasia at 24 months, there will be evident signs at 12 months.  In what frequency does a dog fail an OFA at 24 months with no signs appearant at 12 months that could have been genetically caused?  Is there data to support this idea?

Although hips are limited to 2 years, elbows are covered at 5, provided a liscenced veterinarian diagnoses the condition as congenital.  Read that as veterinarian, not me.  Who am I to judge?

I don't see the "wiggle room" you do, it's a fair contract to the buyer AND seller.  Show me a better one, and I'll consider altering it.  I've not produced any dog at all known to have HD to need to replace or "not replace" in any case.  Just a single instance of ED that developed in a litter runt, which leaves me a 99% success rate for healthy breeding.

As far as the $309 (not $390) goes, if you read carefully it says "Puppy Deposit".

Anyway, back to the actual subject of this thread; 5 years is exactly true, you can get a 50% to 100% replacement for a congenital condition in my breeding program.  I know my guarantee, don't contradict me.