Puppy Contracts, 50% discount for replacement? - Page 9

Why would I register them in my name and then transfer them, when I can just write it in the contract?  It's less hassle.

All dog names are subject to AKC approval and must comply with AKC requirements. The person who owns the dog at the time the dog the registration application is submitted to the AKC has the right to name it, unless otherwise noted in a written agreement.  http://www.akc.org/contact/answer_center/faq_dogreg.cfm

My mind is made up on the environment/genetic debate, and you'd probably guess wrong about what I believe.  Nevertheless, a third party makes that decision.  (Not that it has anything to do with this thread topic)

Ehret, your contract has everything  to do with this topic as it is a shining example of how some breeders can screw buyers. You are trying to divert attention away fom the details of your contract by crying - foul, off topic. After all YOU are the one who bragged here about your  contract saying that no one offered a better one, and how you never had to replace on many dogs and who could want a better contract than yours. Sounded like self-promotion. At any rate, you asked, I answered. Next time, don't ask.

You have some very nice looking dogs and they appear to be well bred and cared for. My guess is you have been breeding GSD's for a relatively short time, probably less than 10 years, and have been able to buy some good dogs with titles from Europe and now you feel as if you are an expert on all things regarding the GSD.   I once shook hands with Bob Dylan, that didn't make me a rock star.

Do you really think that any GSD breeder here is going to buy into you claim that a vet can tell by looking at a dog if it's dysplatic due to bad genes or bad handling? They might have an opinion based on the phenotype of the dog, but it's just that - an opinion.  In the legit world of dog breeding, it is not good enough to refuse a buyer a replacement.

Honestly, Ehret, AKC really doesn't care if you think their rules for registering dogs are fair or not, they just expect you to adhere to them IF you want to register dogs with their registry.  I assume you don't own a copy of those registration rules? Most people read them before they breed a litter, so you  you might want to buy yourself a copy. Then again if you feel AKC rules are  too stringent for you, you can always go with one of the splinter registries like the APR. They don't even care if the dog is purebred let alone who picks it's name. Most pet buyers won't know the difference anyway since most just fell off the turnip truck anyway.

BTW, Ehret, I'm pretty sure what AKC means by "otherwise noted in a written agreement" is that the buyer must agree in writing to permit another individual to name the dog on the registration form.  That way the buyer can't complain to AKC that so and so named my dog for me and I don't like the name etc.. I don't believe your contract addresses  that issue by stating - "the buyer agrees to add the kennel name Ehret to the end of the name..........Failure to register with the kennel name will make this contract null and void" . You probably won't believe this either, but AKC does not even want to look at a sales contract, they refuse to get involved with anything that is contractural, so any agreement about the  registered name should probably be a separate document.  

Why would you not want to register your dogs yourself anyway? That way you are legal and the buyer has no reason to complain to AKC, you can pick the names and there would be no need to even have that  "do it or else" clause in your contract.  It really makes you look petty.

If I were you, I sure wouldn't take the word of a moron like me, I'd have an attorney review that contract and I don't think I'd be offering it to other breeders to use as a prototype before that happens.

You should know, as a breeder, I register the litter, not the individual dogs.  It's an unnecessary step.  You should also know that the full AKC registration rules are freely available on their website in Adobe Acrobat, you don't have to purchase anything.  The AKC supports the use of kennel names, as do my clients, and why you are the only one who sees this as "foul", I have no idea.  Personally, I don't give a damn about the AKC.  The organization's standards do not warrant my respect, and there's far too many loopholes for the less benign breeders and buyers to take advantage of.  That's life, I suppose.  I fail to see where I've crossed the line, guess I'll just wait for that big hammer to fall.

I don't think you're a moron.  I think you're just trying too hard to rectify yourself, while twisting around my statements.  Most of what you think I should be concerned about, is just frivolous "stuff".  Doesn't seem to bother me or anyone else, I'm just sorry I can't make you feel better about it.  You seem singlemindedly hellbent on portraying me as something I'm not, why don't you just start a thread about me?

I'm done with this, Ehret, and the only reason I called you on your contract in the first place was because you misrepresented your terms right here in this thread. This is a public database and anyone can read the messages including people looking to buy their first GSD.  You do NOT guarantee hips for 24 months and you only refund on a dog with HD if it is GENETIC HD which anyone with half a brain knows can never be proven to any degree of certainty.   You give with one hand, take away with the other.

I'll pass on starting a thread about you. Why would I do that? So far you have not answered one single question with a direct response, all you have done is try to make me look like the bad guy for having the audacity to call you on the wording of your contract. Funny you should accuse me of twisting around your words.

Tschau................. 

I have noticed, many times the breeder who will replace a dysplastic dog also stipulates in their contract the guarantee does not extend to the replacement dog.  I'm wondering what you guys think of that.

Blitz, as you know, we differ on the issue of show/sport/work quality guarantees because  I don't think you can guarantee show quality or working quality in an 8 week puppy,   I think the most a breeder can do is pick out  which pup/pups  is potentially show/sport/work quality (but that's not really this topic).

Is that a trick question?  Who thinks all litters are equal?

My question is about the fact that usually the guarantee does not extend to the replacement puppy, I'm not asking whether or not anyone would be satisfied with a replacement puppy instead of a refund.

I have purchased dogs without written guarantees and would do so again.   When I got my  pup from Tiekerhook, he didn't come with  hip/elbow guarantees.  I don't think it's customary for the majority European breeders to issue these guarantees.  

I guess for me the bottom line is if you don't like the guarantee and you don't trust the breeder, go elsewhere, which is pretty much what Hodie said!