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by Uglydog on 04 March 2008 - 16:03

What do you consider to be "factual history"?   A Hollyweird Steven Spielberg "Production"?

It was well known that General Patton wanted to Re Arm Germany & Invade Russia.  He vehemently protested the de Nazification of Germany & Treatment of German POWs, 2 million who died under Allied care...

Read some Books


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 04 March 2008 - 16:03

I have read some books.   There too i find lies.

you still havent answered the question.

Anyway a storm aproaches and I will go offline for a bit.

later.


by Uglydog on 04 March 2008 - 16:03

I want to keep this post about dogs, whether it be cruelty or not. Id rather not a hijack.

Ill answer your question.  Im proud to call many Jews my friends.   Criticism of the Rogue Terror state government in Israel,  in no way relates to any hatred of Jews. Such thinking is shallow, myopic & irresponsible.  Many Jews criticize their own government. Criticizing the Mafia is not Anti Sicilian. Criticizing American Foreign policy is not Anti American.

Bottom line..I dont call those that resist an Occupation "terrorists" but rather those that are the Occupiers.

When such an Occupation is internationally condemned, its all the more legitimate. And Israeli leaders said they will conduct "a Shoah" & "a Holocaust"  just this week. Those words say it all.


allaboutthedawgs

by allaboutthedawgs on 04 March 2008 - 17:03

I'm so sorry your post which was CLEARLY intended to be about dogs, as it always is, was misunderstood. Poor lamb, never given the benefit of a doubt regardless of your obvious record of non political, pro-military posts.

I will address your question about WWII with no qualms about hijacking a thread that's intent was to hijack a messageboard.

SIR HARTLEY SHAWCROSS: May it please the Tribunal, when broke off I had been saying that the Nazi Government was intent upon aggression, and all that had been taking place in regard to Danzig, the negotiations, the demands that were being made, was really no more than a cover, a pretext and excuse for further domination.

As far back as September, 1938, plans for aggressive war against Poland, England and France were well in hand. While Hitler, at Munich, was telling the world that the German people wanted peace and that, having solved the Czechoslovakian problem, Germany had no more territorial problems in Europe, the staffs of his Armed Forces were already preparing their plans. On the 26th September, 1938, he had stated:

"We have given guarantees to the States in the West. We have assured all our immediate neighbours of the integrity of their territory as far as Germany is concerned. That is no mere phrase. It is our sacred will. We have no interest whatever in a breach of the peace. We want nothing from these peoples."

And the world was entitled to rely on those assurances. International co-operation is utterly impossible unless one can assume good faith in the leaders of the various States and honesty in the public utterances that they make. But, in fact, within two months of that solemn and considered undertaking, Hitler and his confederates were preparing for the seizure of Danzig. To recognise those assurances, those pledges, those diplomatic moves as the empty frauds that they were, one must go back to inquire what was happening within the inner councils of the Reich from the time of the Munich Agreement.

Even so, I think it wise to believe his statements at the age of 82 and after completely switching political affiliations (under somewhat less than selfless circumstances). Of course, his character and integrity were impeccable. His scandalous social intrigue with the lover of a serial killer who was on trial at the time, not withstanding.

You, zacsmum, and Shawcross. A threesome that could have really gone somewhere had you only been in conjoined circumstances.

 

Yes, Ugly, you're right. Hitler didn't want any violence when he invaded those countries. As I understand it, he sent in a performing arts troop called "Hands Across Europe" and the word "troop" frightened the locals so much that they immediately threw down their weapons and began waiving hands and white flags in the air. To further complicate the misunderstanding, the troupadors were wearing matching, buttondown, brown jackets with modified laderhosen (because some of the trousers, on clearance from Herr Kohl's, didn't fit properly). To put them at ease, the troop performed accapella songs, recited Maya Angelou'esqe poetry and danced the famous Nazi rendition of "Goosestep in the Straw".

Sir Shawcross tried to tell us little Adolf didn't want to fight. Why oh WHY didn't we listen. No wonder Hitler had that crazed animal look about him, poor dear. The only thing that confuses me is his two day opening argument at the Nuremberg trial (had to be a LOT of research there) where he said:

 


allaboutthedawgs

by allaboutthedawgs on 04 March 2008 - 17:03

Sorry, got cut off.

Sir Shawcross said:

"It was a conference to which the Tribunal will have to be referred from several points of view. I summarise now the Polish aspect of the matter. At the beginning of the conversation, Hitler emphasised the strength of the German position, of the German Western and Eastern fortifications, and of the strategic and other advantages they held in comparison with those of England, France and Poland. Now I quote from the captured document itself. Hitler said this:

'Since the Poles through their whole attitude had made it clear that, in any case, in the event of a conflict, they would stand on the side of the enemies of Germany and Italy, a quick liquidation at the present moment could only be of advantage for the unavoidable conflict with the Western democracies. If a hostile Poland remained on Germany's Eastern frontier, not only would the eleven East Prussian divisions be tied down, but also further contingents would be kept in Pomerania and Silesia. This would not be necessary in the event of a previous liquidation.' "

Two Moons

by Two Moons on 04 March 2008 - 17:03

Back from the storm, had a whole paragraph ready to submit and lost connection here.  I do love how we put our lives in the hands of technology.

I did state that I agreed with a few of uglydog's remarks.  Strange huh?

These are desparate times for many, I see only one solution that will never happen.

 


by Uglydog on 04 March 2008 - 18:03

"Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express, March 24, 1933.

"Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods! Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express on March 24, 1933.

"The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany. Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily Express, March 24, 1933.

"Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike, who has not already enlisted in this sacred war should do so now and here. It is not sufficient that you should buy no goods made in Germany. You must refuse to deal with any merchant or shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who patronises German ships or shipping.... we will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence depends." - Samuel Undermeyer, in a Radio Broadcast on WABC, New York, August 6, 1933. Reported in the New York Times, August 7, 1933.

"Joining with Samuel Untermeyer in calling for a war against Germany, Bernard Baruch, at the same time, was promoting preparations for war against Germany. 'I emphasised that the defeat of Germany and Japan and their elimination from world trade would give Britain a tremendous opportunity to swell her foreign commerce in both volume and profit.'" - "Baruch, The Public Years," by Bernard M. Baruch, p.347.

Samuel Untermeyer was a Jewish leader and close friend of presidents Wilson and Roosevelt. Bernard Baruch was a presidential adviser to Wilson, Roosevelt and Truman.

"This declaration called the war against Germany, which was now determined on, a 'holy war'. This war was to be carried out against Germany to its conclusion, to her destruction" (Diese Erklärung nannte den Krieg gegen Deutschland, der nun beschlossen sei, einen heiligen Krieg. Dieser Krieg müsse gegen Deutschland bis zu dessen Ende, bis zu dessen Vernichtung, geführt werden). - Dr. Franz J. Scheidl, Geschichte der Verfemung Deutschlands.

"War in Europe in 1934 was inevitable." - H. Morgenthau, Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Hearst Press, September, 1933 (also quoted in "The Palestine Plot" by B. Jenson, p. 11).

"For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community, at each conference, in all our syndicates, and by each Jew all over the world. There is reason to believe that our part in this struggle has general value. We will trigger a spiritual and material war of all the world against Germany's ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand the complete destruction of Germany. Collectively and individually, the German nation is a threat to us Jews." - Vladimir Jabotinsky (founder of the Jewish terrorist group, Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934 (also quoted in "Histoire de l'Armée Allemande" by Jacques Benoist-Mechin, Vol. IV, p. 303).

"Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon." - Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book "The New Holy Alliance").

"We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany." - David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quoted in "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson, pa


by Uglydog on 04 March 2008 - 18:03


 

"Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon." - Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book "The New Holy Alliance").

"Played golf with Joe Kennedy (U.S. Ambassador to Britain). He says that Chamberlain stated that America and world Jewry forced England into World War II." - James Forrestal, Secretary of the Navy (later Secretary of Defense), Diary, December 27, 1945 entry.
 

"We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany." - David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quoted in "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson, page 188 and "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold Leese, page 52).

"We want to bring about a deep hatred for the Germans, for German soldiers, sailors, and airmen. We must hate until we win." - Lord Beaverbrook, quoted in Niemals! by Heinrich Goitsch.

"There is only one power which really counts. The power of political pressure. We Jews are the most powerful people on earth, because we have this power, and we know how to apply it." - Vladimir Jabotinsky, Jewish Daily Bulletin, July 27, 1935.

 


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 04 March 2008 - 18:03

Never mind ugly,  I may have agreed with a couple of points but you definately have an agenda that I do not share.

Seems this is a repeat of an earlier arguement, that has no end.

Burn it all down.  

SSDD


by Uglydog on 04 March 2008 - 18:03

No agenda. Thread was hijacked. 

Judea formally declared war ON Germany in 1933.  See London Times Headlines above. Fact

These arent my words but those of prominant officials, Jews & Gentiles alike. Politicians & Statesmen.






 


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