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by Blitzen on 28 October 2004 - 18:10

What is the average size, (measured at the withers in inches, please, I'm a Yank) of most V and Va rated dogs and bitches? What about the working lines? I've had 2 GSD's, both males, both very tall. The first was sired by an import, Sch I in the US, no breed evaluations out of an Am line bitch. Neither were big dogs, however my male grew to be 28", 126 lbs. My current male is 100% showlines, a KKLI, V rated sire that is in my estimation, at least 26". My dog's dam did not have her breed evaluation, she appeared to be at lest 24" at the withers. my dog is 27". The breeder had a number of V rated KKLI dogs and bitches in her kennel and I don't think any of the males were under 26", the bitches at least 24". I've been to some local Schutzhund trials where all working lines were entered and none of these males were over 25", bitches maybe 23". they also looked a lot lighter in bone than the showlines I've seen.

by JochenVGW on 28 October 2004 - 18:10

Working lines tend to be a lot smaller (a generalization) than the showlines. Size in the showring is an advantage, but while working it just means that the dog is more likely to have trouble jumping, running and keeping healthy. I do French Ring training with my showline pup (before starting our formal schutzhund training) and won't continue past a FR I because I won't subject him to the jumps that the Malinois dogs or some working line dogs would have an easier time with.

by Doomsayer on 28 October 2004 - 18:10

That is weird because the top working line shutzhund dogs I have seen are have a lot more heavy bone then my showline male and female. My showline male is very athletic and can do the jumps. He loves to get airborne and he is very tall and lean. I beleive although I have never seen the top VA dogs that he is what they call a stretch male. My female is just about right sizewise but I don't believe she could do the jumps. But she runs really well and has great working drives.

by Blitzen on 28 October 2004 - 19:10

Doomsayer, How tall are your dogs? I don't think my dog would have any trouble scaling an A frame or doing anything else athletic, he's very agile like your guys. I think he could jump a tall building in a single bound LOL. The area working dogs that participate in the Sch trials are finer boned than my showline. I've talked to some of the owners/breeders and they have told me they do not breed for a lot of substance. Maybe it varies form line to line and from one area to another - I'm in the mid Atlantic area. The working line GSD's around here are closer to the size and substance of the Malinois I see at the trials.

Brian

by Brian on 28 October 2004 - 20:10

I agree with Doomsayer on this one all the working line dogs at my club have very big bones and huge heads, especially the Czech and DDR dogs.Most of the male GSD's at my club are a good 26" plus (more on the plus side) and around 80lbs and up but lean. I believe that the lean part is the important part you don't want a chunky working dog. The females are only slightly smaller.

by ALPHAPUP on 28 October 2004 - 20:10

Jochen GVW-- i do french and a lillte belgium ring -- if one sees a variety of GSDs , working, show , german , french , czech -- the malinois exceeds them in the palisade jump and hurdle -- and that as we know is related to structure -- not ness due to size and weight but primalrily to bones and muscles. some may aggue thjis point .. but then i would say .. you haven't seen enough of other european sports and dogs . i have a a 1/2 show/working line male .. at 10 months he surpassed police academy training and exercises -- full entry to body suit -- i will never never train him to ring 2 agitlity .. although he can learn to do the palisade , he already clears with ease 38 inches /hurdle . - i just won't push or chance mishap -- but a malinois i would teach that like a breeze.

by Meuwissen on 28 October 2004 - 21:10

A GSD male must be between 60 till 65 cm. I believe a inch is 2,54 cm, so in inches between 23,6 and 25,6 A GSD female must be between 55 cm till 60 cm, so in inches between 21,6 and 23,6

by Charlie Ivory on 28 October 2004 - 21:10

Nothing can be compared to a well tuned Malinois, Not even the best DDR shepherd..........Two totaly different dogs.........

by Charlie Ivory on 28 October 2004 - 21:10

Blitzen, How do you get on them?....lol. And you never said good bye the other day.....

by Blitzen on 28 October 2004 - 23:10

Get on what, Charlie? Sorry I didn't say goodbye, I was busy with the panda/hyena litter, don't want anything to happen to your puppy LOL. He's starting to develop a faint mask already, you're going to love him.





 


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