any pics from the usa sieger show in san jose? - Page 4

This didn't look good at all. I only watched #45-47 videos though. I realise alot can come into play with the training etc. but the dogs going to the Seiger show should be the cream of the crop and trained well. Why did #45 not get any stick hits? I felt bad for #46, he was really worried where the stick hits might come from!

Lonewolf thanks for posting the video's

It was hard for me not to be able to be there togethere with my husband, son and friends but someone had to stay home to take care of the dogs and young daughter. When I received the phone call that EMILIO didn't passed the bite work I couldn't believe it.

I know our boy ( now owned by my dear friends Barbara and David) so well and this wasn't something for him.

He alway's bites SUPER, so there had to be something happend REAL wrong there, and after seen the video's I know what.

That STUPID helper run over him not once but twice and Emilio kept coming back to him so that shows his strong character.

Not like some other dogs who went from the sleeve on the stick and did passed, but who knows maybe there is someone afraid that Emilio would do to good in the show ring and didn't want that to happen.

The reaction of the helper after this makes me wonder a lot, especially what he said.

And SS the judge did see this all and let it happen twice so defending him that he can only judge what he saw, well than he should have judge Emilio's strong character.

Mike thanks for your kind words they mean a lot to us.

But there wasn't only bad news

Were also VERY PROUD on or other boy  MAD MAXX  also owned by Barbara and David

He got a GREAT V3 Place and did good and were also proud on al the young ofspring of EMILIOand MAD MAXX

Francis

Shelley Strohl--why the hell are you defending incompetence on the part of the judge--whose job is not to alienate SL breeders who pay an inordinate number of fees and manage to keep the coffers of USCA full and solvent?

If the judge can't "see", perhaps we need to have a panel of 3 judges (stationed where they all have a view) to confer and evaluate the performance tests (sort of like the OFA).

Comparing the judging at a tiny USCA SS with the BSZS is like comparing apples and oranges--JMHO.

With all of these big name kennels (or any kennel breeding 6 or more litters a year), it's all about $$$$. VA placements of "in-house" studs is determined by their respective (laughable?) Progeny Groups. It has nothing to do with the sport, a love for the GSD breed, or a sincere desire to improve the breed with genetic diversity.

If you take a smaller organization such as the WDA, even the some of the new officers are using their elective and appointive positions to meet self-serving ends (to peddle puppies, stud dogs, create new websites/businesses for hawking dog paraphernalia and merchandise).

vonwaldhimmel, tell it like it is about the poor sportsmanship within the show ring. IOW, the male handler who butted in front of your daughter Hailey is a German who resides in Canada: Thomas Schoder (handling Odin).

Finally, folks, don't be fooled that the dogs which break on the free-heeling to the attack blind are merely being disobedient. Even this tactic has a calculated motive--it gives the dog a chance to see the helper and to know where he will be when he finally attacks out of the blind. Otherwise, when the dogs sees the helper, it may scare the piss out of him and cause him to run (3 times!) to pee on a tree.

I'm a bit disgusted that training would be used as an excuse for these dogs. Hello PEOPLE, if you have a dog that you are wanting to take to the Sieger show, get off your ass and get some training on him first! These handlers should be ashamed to walk next to these messes called GSD's. My feelings would be "the whole world is watching, I/my dog better be prepaired" if  not, it would have to forgo until the next year. What an embarressment, to the breed, the individual dogs, handlers and the people behind the scenes.

This was the Sieger Show right? Like someone said, this should have been the cream of the crop. More like, cream of the crap. Those of you that want to cry about the decoy being too hard take a gander at this...dog's getting slammed to the ground and still not popping off. If a decoy stepped on my dogs foot and he let go...that dog would never see a field or helper again, done, finished, crapper!  There are no excusses acceptable for these performances in such a high profile event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_9s8KArXM 

Hear Hear Louise. You are so right.  One handler in particular ran that little scenario of having the dog "escape" the heel to run by the blind on EVERY single dog he had FOR TWO OF THE THREE "TRIES".(and yet only 1 or 2 managed to pass).

I too think perhaps we need 3 judges tho only one would do if that one had the balls to call a spade a spade. I also think they need to start out the protection work with a non entered dog that is known to do a  pronouced routine (i.e. a working dog) and say this is what a pronouced routine is - anything less will get and A or M. Shelley please tell me you can NOT possibly believe 98% of those ratings were deserved. LESS THAN ONE HANDFUL OF DOGS REMOTELY DESERVED A PRONOUCED THIS WEEKEND. At absolutely best most of those given a TSB "a" desired a sufficient and a lot did not even deserve that.  What I saw was positively appalling. As a friend said to me - do they really not know what they are seeing( shouldn't be true ofthe "director of judges") or do they really not give a d--. I think it's the latter.

What I also saw was a majority of dogs with either NO training or really really bad abusive training. You would think since this is the big shebang for the year that they might invest in a little training. But the bottom line was not the training or lack thereof - it was the lack of strength and character in the dogs.  I have not been able to view the videos but I wonder if they are sufficient to show the small head duck almost every dog had before any bite - an avoidance behavior saying I really don't want to be doing this but if I don't something really bad wil happen to me.

Can someone also explain to me how a dog who SUPPOSEDLY has a SchH 2 or 3 has NO recognition of what a blind and/or helper means? Several dogs exhibited this behavior. Now all I know is after her very first B & H in the blind, my dog had that particular association fixed in her brain and it doesn't matter where the blind OR helper is, she knows the games afoot.

Re USA dependence on the show people and the sieger show for money ( an argument I heard this weekend on the grounds) two things. 1. Does not all the money basically go back to the sieger show and the fake registery and therefore adds nothing of real value to USCA?  2. At what price do you sell your soul - or the essence of your breed?

Finally for those who blame the helper (in the herding world these same people blame bad sheep - yeah right). This was a world class helper. Did he step on a few dogs - yes. Should that have made a difference - no. Also I was trying to figure out why he stepped on them because this is NOT something that is normal for him. What I realized is that he is used to working dogs that actually engage and the drive is a dance between the helper and the dog with the dog driving the helper as much as the helper drives the dog. Here with the few that managed to hang on for dear life - they hung there like a 100 pound sack of potatoes,inert and lifeless and when he tried to drive them they didn't have the sense OR courage to fight back and get out of his way so yeah he stepped on them.

I am shocked, but I shouldn't be.

By the way - please note I would NOT want this done - but why don't we present this video to the USA judges meeting and demand that the dogs at the National be judged by these same standards. After all if you are going to dumb down for some lets dumb down for all and just be done with it. I think perhaps such a demand should be made just from the point of applying an electric shock to get this organization back on track.  At several club trials recently I have seen the same kind of "gifting" of pronounced. The sad part is when there is a truly good dog that deserves the points and ratings there is no way to distinguish his/her performance from the sufficient or inadequate.

4pack, You make a very good point. One would think the mentality is that the whole world is watching, However, that has not been the case. We haven't really had an opportunity to view video such as this, previously. Video provided previously was only bits and pieces. These videos were raw, and uncalculated.

There has been NO NEED to train or prepare for a performance test at a sieger show, (and seriously if your dog actually earned the titles it spouts at the end of its name, there is no need to train) and this year proved it even more beyond a shadow of a doubt. WHY??? because the FREAKIN' RULES WERE NOT FOLLOWED!  It obviously didn't matter if your dog was on the sleeve or took a stick hit, dogs could come off the sleeve and still be prounced and outs. OF COURSE the dog OUTS, he was NEVER on the sleeve to begin with.

I know what it is like to walk off a sieger show performance test lawn with a pronounced and out, a real one, and think "well, hell that doesn't mean crap because the dog that ran away from the helper in the bark and guard and peed on a fence, got the same thing my dog did."

Rules apparently don't matter anymore. No one is accountable, and no one seems to want to hold anyone accountable. You honestly cannot blame the dogs for their performance. You can explain bad performance, but the FACT remains, the problem with all of this is UScA. The sieger show makes too much money and they don't want to lose the entries (such as they are). We can't lower the bar anymore as we have pretty much hit freakin' rock bottom. I am ashamed of UScA for standing by and ALLOWING that all to take place. The rules are pretty straight forward, they are posted everywhere now as they have been cut and pasted to damn near every GSD forum on the net. Anyone have a minute or two to cut and paste them to UScA??? apparently they haven't read them.

One more thought. If we truly want to fix this ( yeah right) the place to start is at the Koer's. Went to one of those last year and was equally appalled. In fact even more so because there was a lot of "feeding" the sleeve to the dog to make sure it could attach. Same problem with giving pronounced to dogs that were barely sufficient too.

Oh and also have to comment about one more thing. A number of dogs shown this weekend have in the past been complimented on this databse as being strong workers that could compete with working dog ability even tho they were showlines.  All I can say is get a new pair of glasses. It is truly truly sad if what was presented is the best of the best. I shudder to think what the rest are like.

I absolutely love the continuing chewy, chewy, chewy on the sleeve after the out by the VA3 dog.  I guess the rules are utterly disregarded for a "select" few.