Dishonest site: www.gsddata.com - Page 10

We studied this alot in our College Comp Classes.  Although the Federal laws are the same everywhere, the State laws may vary from state to state.  What I was told by my attorney is this....

As far as the pictures they stole from this site, WE COULD EACH HAVE AN INDIVIUAL CASE against this person.  Simply because we posted them here for use on Oli's site, does not give someone permission to use them on another paying site without our consent.  By submitting them here, we are essentually giving Oli permission to use them, BUT NOONE ELSE has that right! (alot of legal terms used, but this is the jest of it :) )

I must concur with TWO MOONS....we (and I don't mean me because I do not have the extensive computer knowledge) need to find out if he owns his server, find out what state he is in, and EACH file a seperate complaint about him stealing our photos and let Oli handle the pedigree issue on his end!

I guess my second thought would be, is this person a member here?  and if they are, are they still after all this?

Oli, please keep us updated.

Christine

Personally I don't care if my dogs' pictures are on that database, as long as the pictures are under my dogs' correct names and pedigrees and other information about them is correct.  Have at it.  I would have a problem if my dogs' picture is there but labeled under the wrong name or pedigree info.    They can have the pictures (as long as they have the name/pedigree correct) but I won't be using their site if I have to pay to use it, when I can use this one and not pay.  I'll just stay here, if someone else wants to pay to view my dogs and others, I have no problem with it.

molly

I am very unsettled about the use of my pictures without my permission. I am even more concerned about the possible use of pictures that contain images of my grandchildren, and children, that I trustingly posted on this site, in threads about my dogs. If dogs pictures can be collected and distributed, what about other images? We already know that this person has extremely low morals, what else might he/she stoop to? And what can be done about it? jackie harris

 I just went to their site (had never even heard of it) and 2 of my boys are there as well. I am NOT happy about this, I gave no such permission. Apparently some of you guys have emailed and has the site owner done anything about it? It sounds like he's just been rude. If all of us have to register a complaint, what is the correct process? One of the pictures was taken on my camera at a friends house and is ONLY posted here. It seems there are enough of us mad about this, is there any idea on what to do at this point to get our pictures removed if the site owner won't remove them? 

 I have a strong feeling that this person/entity "Kees" is registered as a poster on the pedigreedatabase.com/gsd and that he/she/it has an accomplice here. I have a strong suspicision of who this person is, even though I certainly do not know their real name/gender/geographic location. I will not release it to anyone at this time, save for Oli.
 

The Gsddata website did appear on the world-wide web during 2006, and I remember it well because it had a lot of information about certain dogs that is not contained here, i.e., tattoo number, owner's name/address, etc.. This type of information would have been parsed from the S.V.'s data archives. I was unemployed for several months that year and had a lot of free time on my hands so I did a lot of GSD research on a daily basis.

I think the original website suddenly found itself in legal arrears, because defensive statements were posted on it, followed by statements indicating that it was for sale. It disappeared completely after a couple of months. I know this, as I had a link to it stored in my web-browsing shortcuts. I remember the owners of the original website lived in England at the time, and were accused of harvesting data from sources such as the pedigreedatabase.com/gsd.

I do remember first-statements of denial, followed by statements in the spirit of "well, we did nothing wrong-prove it." This was just before the website went completely off line. I presume they were frightened by the legal morass that was building as proof of their harvesting could be easily substanciated. I do wish that I had recorded the names (at least the stated names) of the persons of interest, but I had no reason at the time to do this.

In summary, it appears the original website owners chickened out and shut down the website and eventually found a buyer on that to offload their pilfered database. I presume the initial sale of pilfered data is a crime in itself as the critical information (the data plus the images) were harvested without permission and used for financial gain. In essence, it would be the same as if I opened an online business to sell printed pedigrees to people and gleaned the information (and photographs!) from this website and other websites without agreeing to pay a type of commission to the source of the data-essentially stealing, plain and simple. Reference my earlier post about the sharing of files and the drafting of research papers.

This is where it can get sticky, in a manner of speaking. The "operator" of the website who goes by the handle of "Kees" demonstrates though typed communication that he/she/it has at best, very basic English literacy, hence it follows that the website's domain and occupied server(s) may be in a country that is primitive in regards to Western European and/or North American laws. That also explains why some of the harvested data is corrupted slightly due to different alphabetic and arithmetic operators used in different database algorithms. Essentially, the translation is not 100% correct.

I guess the final solution to remove this offending database would be for someone to purchase it from its owner(s) realizing that a full copy (under a slightly different domain name) could surface immediately afterwards and allow the problem to begin anew. There are other solutions, such as the owners of the dogs listed there intentionally corrupting the data there; in essence making the database not trustworthy and eventually useless. Of course the harvesting software would again mine correct data from the original sources. The problem is, I remember the expression from my childhood, that essentially "two (2) wrongs do not make a right." But indeed, "three (3) rights definitely make a left!"

Regards,

Bob-O

I like the last suggestion,  destroy from within.  2 wrongs don't make a right, this is up for debate, how about a thousand wrongs?   The idea of joining the site was one of the first idea's to come to my mind,  I've been kicked out of classier place's LOL.   

Brent, I agree. Kind of like "inciting a riot", huh? LOL. Hey, it is okay to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre if one smells smoke-even if it is but from scorched popcorn!

Regards,

Bob-O

Bob-O:  Wheres the butter and the oil...I'm ready....

Hmmm, Chaos is on there twice! 

 My dogs are in there too