Dishonest site: www.gsddata.com - Page 2

Good idea, steal all the data and then try to make money on it by advertising on the very site data was stolen from.  Can anyone say "DIP"?  Complete idiot!!

I too have only posted pictures and details of my dogs on the PDB.  Am very annoyed that another site can steal them.  Very confusing though, is they only show details of 2 of my dogs!

They even stole pedigree information and pictures of my dog. I was quite shocked.

My dogs' pictures are on the site, too--along with pictures.

How is it that Wilhendorf and Fleisherheim have ad links on the site?

Hey Oli,

I don't know if is possible but maybe you can possibly develop a script where each time a member uploads a photo onto the database that it creates a watermark.

Thats a very good idea......

At least then if someone DID still steal the photo's they would have to go through the long process of photoshopping them.

Make's things a little harder.....

Maybe the price is less now.......

Dog1,

I've notice that the professional version has went down dramaically. Kees was asking €40.51for it in spite of of his thread GSDData.com Professional for Free !!

funny huh?

Oli, I am a user of both databases because I use them for different things. I obviously do not know the proof  you have and while it is possible some of the PDB data has been harvested I do not know that I would go so far as claiming "completely proven that they completely harvested data ". In my use I have found significant differences between the data available on the two databases. Just today I documented over a dozen differences. Some pedigrees available on PDB are not available there and vice versa. In some the difference is in the name and number of progeny. In some there is a difference in the lineage on the pedigrees. I have found errors in the data on both sites ( different errors)  . While you may share SOME data and pictures it is obvious to me that there are significant differences between the two databases. Two small examples for you - Hunter van heet Keeliehof  PDB shows 159 progeny  GSDdata shows 62     iwan heuske pdb 14 progeny gsddata 20

I also do not know the answer to the questions I am about to ask but I think they bear raising. Your copyright information page states the following "Almost all of the information (including images) is user submitted and a collective work of GSD enthusiasts all around the globe.  There is no possible way for pedigreedatabase.com to follow up on every submitted image or posted text.  (Note that as soon as the dog is registered in its respective Organization (AKC, FCI, WUSV, etc.) it (the organization) has full power over the pedigree information, not the breeder) " 1. If it is user submitted why does not the copyright lay with the user not PDB since you acknowledge no attempt to authenicate the data therefore have not changed it or purchased it? 2. You state the registry has "full power" over the pedigree information. Would this not also mean copyright? If it does has PDB requested or purchased the rights to publish something the registries have "full power" over?

I do not know what the law says about where the copyright lays with information which is posted to an "open" database. I suspect that it is obvious that PDB has a copyright to it's style and format but I believe that copyright in the underlying data might be much more difficult to prove. In the US you might want to look at the cases involving phone book data. Also re users who are upset that their photos ( w/o copyright info or protection on them) which they loaded to an OPEN database now exist elsewhere on the web, I suspect they would have a hard row to go to prove damage. Plus it seems to me that it's an either or situation. Either they have the copyright or PDB base does - can't be both and might be neither because of the open nature of the board.

PLEASE NOTE. I am not disregarding or dismissing the valuableness of the Pedigreedatabase. I thank you for it and all the hardwork you put into creating it and maintaining it. It is a wonderful wonderful tool that we have all acknowledged our thankfulness for and in the past a number of us have indicated a willingness to pay a subscription if the data were authenticated. It's usefulness is as much or more about how it lets us use the data as it is about the data itself. I am also not trying to answer the legal questions raised if some of the data has been "harvested" since I do not know those answers. I am just trying to point out that this appears to me to be much more complex than a simple copyright question.

I know it is possible to copyright photos posted on web pages. Just go to the Rin Tin Tin website, and see what happens when you try dowloading THEIR photos! Even the text is copyrighted.

Maybe the same could be done with photos posted here?