2008 USA Sieger Show - Page 4

Because, the Universal Sieger title CAN be bought - it's been proven every year in the past few at least - and it's so much easier that way!  And just as prestigious as earning it yourself (you and your dog)!  (??)  Right?

molly

Oh puleeze, videos don't lie, everyone saw what happened and most reading this will obviously not allow it to be explained away or condoned again by anyone.  Do you think we are stupid? Trying to justify the poor performances of most of the dogs on these videos is the epitome of arrogance. Kudos to those of you who will not swallow the poison pill  one more time. This might be the last show you ever get to see on video uncensored.

Keep lowering the bar and soon all some dogs will need to do is to be present in the ring to pass the protection with a pronounced. They will all be from the same 4 or 5 kennels or bred in Germany. But maybe that's the goal?

Take back your sport.

Blitzen! thank you! that might be my knew bumper sticker "Take back your sport"!!!

I am amazed that ANYONE would try to explain or excuse the travesty that occurred at the SS.

Any dog that has been given the HONOR of EXCELLENT SELECT at a sieger show should have been able to Heel to the attack out of the blind, not come off the sleeve on a stick hit, or a threat of a stick hit, and the dog should OUT cleanly!  There was a lack of courage at that performance test, just like there has been in years past. I am not just talking about the lack of courage in the dogs presented, I am talking a lack of courage on the part of the UScA officials! 

Excellent Select is NO LONGER AN HONOR. It is a joke!  Sadly, the whole world is laughing at what WE as a membership of UScA have allowed. It is disgusting!

As a complete oursider to your system of training and titling Dogs, can you tell me where the Dogs will come from that will be competing for the USA in this years world Schutzund Championships

What is there Qualifications regarding Trials this year to pick such a team. and have the trials finished or partly so

Ours over here will be decided this coming Sunday, it is the Final Selection trial of Three in Belgium for the forth coming World Championship in the USA

Watch out for ZENDER and  NENA thats my first two to go forwards to the W.C inthe USA 

Steve

Wow, I can't believe Molly as a menber and representative of the UScA organization that's hosting not only the Nationals (which is the event that will determine the Universal Sieger) and the World Schutzhund Championship would go on an International forum and suggest the UScA organization is corrupt and placings can be bought It just blows me away. That's all I say on that subject.

Louise. No one doubts your experience. I will not be trialing my dog myself because he's competing against the same top trainer and handler that you paid to title your dog. As I said before, this is a National event, he deserves better than me. It's about the dog.

Hodie,

I know you are passionate about your dogs and your female had a super performance in Carson City. I'm not convinced SG17 and V29 are not regarded as high places at the German Sieger show. There are many breeders around the world that would be thrilled to make such a place. I'm not sure I agree with your statement that most of the VA dogs at this years UScA sieger show would not make top 50 in Germany when actually 'most of those that were shown there have. Bear in mind progeny has an impact on the VA positions too. So on many respectswith regard to conformation events, let's agree to disagree.

I'd be honored, Deeswolf. My other suggestion would be "You Can't Fix Stupid" . Too harsh?

I don't want to turn this into a Randy smashing, but I AM curious Randy as to whether you have titled a dog and if so, how long it took you? Where was the trial and who was the judge? As we all know, many of the dogs being shown have been titled quickly and trained poorly to boot (because quick training is NOT good training).  If this was the case with any dog vying for Universal Sieger, despite the fact that he must compete to qualify (and events are running out), I don't think the dog has a prayer. I know how long it takes to bring even a really well trained dog back up to snuff after a long layoff. Yes, this Universal Sieger is a good marketing ploy and sadly, there are plenty of uninformed people who will buy it. So often, they only want a dog who looks nice at their side. And like too many involved in the breed, to hell with whether the dog really is a good representative of the breed.

As for Louise, her credentials speak for themselves. One need not agree with her all the time, or even like her, but one cannot say she has not walked the walk on many a street. She has done more with her dogs than most here ever will accomplish. And yes, she promotes her dogs but no less so than many whose dogs are not particularly deserving of promotion. She is older. Randy, you are what age? Mid 40s? Early 50s? Why can't you get out there and struggle learning to handle and train for trialwork? Because you choose not to do so and would rather buy your way along. That is your choice and I do not even begrudge you or anyone that. But don't try to tell us the baloney you wrote above and justify poor work.

I am 61 and have a torn ankle tendon and am in serious and constant pain. But by golly, I am running my business AND training my dogs (and several others) and yes, it is costing me a fortune to bring in competent helpers. But without this, why even bother doing any of it? Anyone with enough money can buy anything, including a good looking dog. At least, if one wants to be taken seriously, have the smarts to hire the best trainers and train all the time so when you are thinking of declaring for Universal Sieger we are not all spilling our Gatorade as we laugh at reading that.

Again, this is not about showlines vs working lines, at least for me. I have some excellent show line dogs, and I have some excellent working line dogs. It is about trying to pull the wool over the eyes (both others and some people do it to themselves when they justify piss poor work like has been done here), a pervasive lack of integrity in the GSD world, and trying to sell green cheese from the moon to people who don't know better. For those who do know better, we need to continue to speak out and speak up loudly. Even still, I doubt that anything will change. The organization itself is set up so that there is no vote for one person. Until everyone has a voice, and the few that think they speak for the majority are shown that they do not, it is hopeless.