HOLY SHIT!!! - Page 6

UGLY, 

Believe me, I am on the side of getting people out of the organization and sport who lie, cheat, abuse/neglect animals etc. etc. etc. But YOU have not proved your case. Hell, you have not even presented a case. So why not?

I don't know this joker. But over the years I have NEVER heard one positive thing of him or from him. He may be a con man, he may be a felon, based on what I looked up. But it does not matter what he is or is not if NO ONE FILES CHARGES THAT ARE SUBSTANTIATED. And, yes, perhaps sadly in this situation, there is a statute of limitations. If he committed crimes years ago, it may not count. If he was convicted last month, it might. If he took money from club members and did not use it appropriately, then there should be some documentation that says he was taking x dollars for club and USA due (which you say he never paid). I bet you don't have a single damned piece of paper to back that issue do you? If so, it is your word against his, unless you can get a lot of other people to substantiate, meaning sign their names to a notarized document saying he stole their money too. If it is a "he said, she said" type of disagreement, or if there is more to your personal beef which a private email to me suggests, then nothing may come of it, but BS to your silly threat to file a lawsuit against USA. You are smart enough to know you have not one leg to stand on based on the fact you never even formally followed through and filed charges and you ARE NOT A MEMBER OF USA to begin with.

You say often how much you hate this and that. Yet, what I see here again is that you did nothing about it that can help redress your grievance. Therefore, your grievance is diluted further and further. If you have a beef, then do something about it that can lead to a decision. If the board will not hear it because it is too old, oh well,,,,,,do I like it? NO, not particularly because I have also formed a judgment about this person. But, they are NOT obligated to act on my or your judgment of this person. They are and should be held accountable to act on FACTS presented in a timely fashion.

Now, I see above that you were instructed on what to do and you did not do it. So I suggest you get it in gear and do what you must to resolve this.

Hodie,

Ill try this once more for you, as it seems to not register with you.  I have sent Video & his RAP Sheet. This of a Club President. There is no screening process. OK fine.  Send in paperwork.  We did, we have a strong case, imo.

Notarized statements,  affadavits, Injured dogs, unsound conditions, Dues not forwarded, Misrepresentations,  Eviction from the Owner of the property, etc etc.  Additionally, he hasnt held his trial. A direct club violation.

Our Conference call  with Nia was very Disheartening.   SchH USA, according to Nia, FEARs a 'Retaliatory lawsuit' from The Accused, despite the fact that he is a criminal & engaging in conduct unbecoming & illegal, with his members & with the law.  Ive never seen a club this apprehensive to uphold & require standards of conduct & a screening propcess.

If their own By Laws were such that they could & would Dismiss such improper conduct, this would be a non issue.

Several people have raised complaints about Helser.

As stated, we will file formally,  and the rest is up to them.  But to say that we are disgruntled, saddened, & disheartened, is an understatement.  Its not really about us but the dogs, always has been.

Just to clarify misrepresentations, I have explained "due process" in BOI contacts ad nauseum and explain that violating a member's due process rights can (and should) lead to litigation, which is why it behooves the organization to follow its own rules. NO, USA is NOT fearful of being sued, as any suits (or rather the idle threats thereof)are/ would be pointless, as long as USA adheres to the BOI procedure laid out in the bylaws. Now, simply banning someone as unsavory, or unpopular, or racist, or anti-Semitic, or anything else violates due process and even an asshole should sue, and would have grounds to do so. This is America, where any idiot can, and probably will, sue you...or threaten to. The point is be bullet-proof by making sure the idiots can't win, if they do. :-) Observing members' due process rights is one of the best steps toward being bullet-proof.

 Ugly, 

Sorry, but what has escaped you is that you MUST follow the procedures and due process. PERIOD. DO it. After that, then let us know EXACTLY what was decided and why. Then you may or may not have a real complaint. But for now, you don't until you file the proper paperwork in the proper manner. You were told that long ago and did not do it. I have no sympathy for people who cannot follow the rule here. And you are still, as far as I know, not a member. So either join, or make sure someone who is involved in filing IS a member.

It is that simple.  In other words, put up or shut up. Even if Helser is the biggest looser there ever was and will be, thankfully, yes, even he has the right to see that due process is followed.

Nia..

Im perhaps different than you or most, as I believe in responsibility & accountability for ones action. And I demand justice. The clubs I belong to are structured along these lines.

Nonsense of  "Due Process" has Nothing to do with Criminal Conduct while holding a Club Position.. We arent discussing thought crimes here.   And it certainly is Not Responsible (as it thwarts accountability),  for any  Club or organization, to Not Screen potential officers or those holding positions of importance.

If one Violates the law continuously, or is engaging in a practice or conduct unbecoming  & with a history of it, or not abiding by the By Laws of Holding Trials, it should be dealt with, severely & swifly.

Club Members, imo,  should be required to abide by the legal laws of jurisdiction.   Background checks should be Mandatory for All officers & local club presidents (not just Felons),  for  those that accept monies and work from a position of Trust, with the general public.

Youll get your wish. We have it all documented. Video, affadavits, notaries, criminal Convictions,  the works. The rest is up to you.  And the choice is yours to make, as to what direction USA wishes to go.  Money or Ethics.  I wont hold my breath.

Bill

It,s a shame a thread that starts out with a noble cause of keeping dogs out of the hands of a idiot turns into a pissing match about by laws and procedure.

I tend to agree with everyone on this one, Helser is a plague that needs cured but he is not the only one using USA as a launching pole for his scams, Tighter control of who is in the orginization would be great,Back ground checks for club officers would be great, Clubs policing them selfs with there members would be great, The rule of law does apply to how you denie or okay members so law suits could be filed, Insufficent dogs being titled and showing up on the cover of our magizine and touted as the best of the best, And last but not least clubs with big names and high dollar members pulling the favors of USA, these are all symptoms of a larger problem.  And at the bottom of it all the German Shepherd Dog if this whole thing were right it would be at the top of the list and clubs not working for the betterment of the breed would be purged from the roles as any members that fall short of the goal of the dog.

USA isn,t the only one with problems I hear so many tout PSA as people with out attitudes,only in it for the dogs well as the orginization grows so goes the problems any orginization be it for dogs or field corn will eventually deal with the same problems. 

There are some people who are only alive because it is illegle to shoot them, Only in America can we belong to a orginization and slam it publicly on the net with inpunity. 

I,d like to see USA tighten things up and hold members more accountable but it won,t start until members hold USA accountable and to a higher standard untill then the Helsers will run rampent among the clueless.   

         

Bob,

Slight Correction. There are many other nations that also have 'Freedom' and can publicly and privately criticize organizations'  Policies & Screening, or Lack thereof.  

Ireland, Canada, Australia, France, Germany, Spain and the rest of the industrialized world,  are all pretty 'Free'

We do agree what SchH USA should hold those with positions dealing with the publics monies & trust, be held to a high standard.  Until this is done,  I will openly critical . 

Helser may not be the 'Only one', but he is a huge problem.    Owners of dogs & puppies on this board & elsewhere, will attest to it. 

I/we have gathered many, many statements & spent weeks gathering & preparing them.   Its over 80 pages, if that gives you any idea.  His RAP sheet was only 5 pages.  Unfortunately, this info was sent to the wrong dept in SchH USA, we learned speaking to Nia,  but that is correctable.

PSA is not a Registry.  Its a Sport.  And  I have  met nice people in both organizations.   But PSA is not 'stuffy'  by and large & in comparison.

Bob,

I agree with you also, but, again, without due process, the organization is nowhere. True, they don't always even follow their own bylaws, but that too is wrong. People who are crooks, thieves, lie, steal, cheat people, abuse animals entrusted to them and on and on should be kicked out of this organization. However, it cannot be done simply by someone asking the BOI or others to go on a hunt. Charges, legitimate documentation and proof backing charges, is required. That is how it must be whether I like it or not, and whether I think someone like Helser or others, should just be summarily kicked out. The procedure and what is required is in the rules. If clarification must be made, there are people who will help clarify that process. But to bad mouth them and condemn the organization when NO CHARGES have been filed that are actionable, is also wrong. I hope Ugly and his buddies who were wronged will do something about this, but more importantly, I hope they will have their ducks in a row so the BOI CAN do something about this joker, once and for all.

In other words, I agree with Ugly, except in his lack of following the process......................I for one hope charges will be filed so this matter can be put to rest. It is no wonder people don't want to serve as officers or officials in this organization when people condemn them for anything and everything. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I believe fits well here. And that is too bad because there ARE a few GOOD people in this organization and they deserve better.

Hodie,

While holding his position, Helser was Charged/Convicted with Dangerous Dog Violation, Not Licensing dogs etc. These are Convictions,  post holding his position with USA.

 He was also charged with 14 counts of Animal Cruelty.   A Continuance Request  was granted. IMO,  A Ploy by Helser that worked to his advantage.  84 counts & 5 pgs of a Rap Sheet,  teach one about the system.

 The Animal Control officer could not attend the Hearing date & case was dismissed.  Her words.   She found filthy living conditions according to the report  (ankle high feces) and a buned/Charred puppy.  He was Evicted (Public Record) from the Premises of His Club.   Exhibit B. See Judgment Montgomery County.

Helser has also defied the SchH USA By-Laws in Not holding a Trial.   

 I had hoped, regardless of filing,  that this would be enough to warrant being  barred from SchH USA.   Apparently it is not.   As stated, paperwork was forwarded to the wrong address, an honest mistake.   We will send it to the correct one and the chips will fall where they may. 

To have to go to such great lengths to 'Prove' that one is disreputable, a liability & a dirtbag,  as a rep for an 'honorable' organization, to me, seems ridiculous.    But then again, maybe my world is different from others?

 Ugly,

I cannot know if what you write above is true or not since I have not seen any documents, nor should I need to. I know of this man through his reputation. As I stated above, if only a small part is true, he is not someone I would EVER want to be involved with. I looked up his records. I see his records, including a breaking and entering last year and today a default judgment in the amount of $1500, for what it does not say. He could have a "rap" sheet a 100 miles long, but until and unless the PROPER people see it, in the PROPER manner, meaning a formal charge is filed, NOTHING CAN OR WILL BE DONE. Do I like that when I suspect the guy is the kind of person who better should live behind bars? NO, I do not like it a lot. I do not like it that USA has not acted on another person whom I know to have abused dogs, killed one and "lost" another. However, until the charges are filed, nothing can be done. I cannot file charges even though I know about the situation. Nor can I or most people do anything in your situation. YOU and those with grievances MUST do it. Surely, you bitch about this country etc. etc., trust me, you know nothing of other countries and burden of proof either. Your claims would be dismissed with a laugh fortunately in any civilized country in the world WITHOUT following a process and providing evidence. And that, in my opinion, is EXACTLY how it should be to prevent a different but just as serious situation. Whether I like it or not, or whether you like it or not, Helser and others get due process. Otherwise, no one and nothing is safe.

I don't know if he is a member. I don't know if he is in charge of or a member of a bona fide USA club. I certainly don't know if anything that you allege happened as it did. One person has posted here that calls into question some of what you state. Whether he is lying or not is not my place to decide. 

In the USA, in order to "PROVE" among the internet community or society that one is disreputable, a liability and a dirtbag is often done as the person assassinates his/her own character as so many do. But, in order to "PROVE" charges in a court or other tribunal, including a Board of Inquiry associated with an organization, there is and should be a higher standard. Surely, you are clever enough to know how to file cogent charges, to send the materials to the correct address with the proper paperwork and filing fee, and provide sufficient evidence to carry your case. If you do that, and if it is not otherwise disallowed because of a statute of limitations etc., then may prevail.

I said before and this will be the last time I say it....if you have something to say in this regard, do it right, follow due process and get his butt kicked out. But if you don't, then shut up about it. Put up or shut up is what it is called. I have given the same advice to others in regard to someone who should also be kicked out of every reputable organization in the country. But neither man should be kicked out simply because you or I or others here say so. They should be kicked out when the proper channels have been followed to do so. To bad mouth the organization and those channels when you did NOT follow the rules is disingenuous and detracts from your cause, however just on the surface.