OT-McCain angrily Condemns POW/MIA Families - Page 9

MickeyD, we may not agree on much I will end our exchanges with agreement on one issue.

I too have immense respect for Ron Paul. He has an abiding respect in the constitution.

Baby Eagle, I do not believe for one moment that color has nothing to do with this race. And what does Ron Paul have to do with the subject? He's white, isn't he? Not everything is about him. Of course it's about color for many in this country. Wake up and smell the coffee. Am I the only person here who has heard others say that rather than vote for McCain or a black man, they won't vote at all this year? You live in PA and have never heard racist remarks? Maybe it's the area I live in? To tell you the truth I would vote for Ron Paul if I felt my vote wouldn't be wasted on a candidate with no chance of getting elected. Are there any polls that would help me change my mind? I was raised by a racist father as was he and his father. I've had enough of it to last me a lifetime. In this case I would love to be wrong and if I am, then that's the best possible scenario for all of us, isn't it?

Micky, this crosses political boundaries and is not a Democratic or a Rebuplican problem. It 's an American problem; one that has been with us for many generations and one which we had better learn to get the hell over and soon. I really find it the height of ignorance that some men are flat out saying they will vote for McCain because Palin is a babe. I can only hope that is their version of a bad joke.

My sincere apologies to anyone who I have offended (other than  those to whom this applies). IMO we've been dancing around this subject long enough.

Color does have NOTHING to do with it Blitzen. Anyone who won't fly the flag, salute or hand over heart at the anthem, doesn't even belong in the US let alone be the Prez of our nation! I can't stand to hear the guys voice, see his pic or listen to you all bicker about him on here. Obama is an asshole. I seriously don't see the carisma he supposedly exudes. I think he'd like nothing better than to rip our country to shreds just to go down in history.

Blitzen, well before Palin's selection and the effect that has had on the Republican base, I thought that I had expressed the view that race was an importand part of the equation.

Let's be honest - there is a percentage of the population who will NEVER vote for a black person running for president, governor, etc. The question really is how many of those people would never have voted for a democrat, in any event.

If Obama's lead is marginal in the swing states, he will lose because some of the polling is distorted by people who have problems with his race but will not openly express it. It is the so-called "Bradley effect" which you may have heard of - where the black candidate for governor in California was leading by 15 points the day before the election and still lost by a couple of points. It was attributed to distorted polls which showed the lead to be inaccurate because people polled were not willing to come out and state that they were not going to vote for a black.

Re PA, I have heard it described as Philadelphia in the east, Pittsburgh in the West and Alabama in the middle.

The Democrats are just not good at attack politics when it comes to presidential elections - and the Republicans are masters at it. Not said as a criticism of Republicans - basically they will go all out to win and I take my hat off to them for being so single-minded.

Re men voting for Palin because she is a "babe" - perhaps, that is just an excuse.

Tonight, at 7 PM (Eastern) the channel FX is showing V for Vendetta. (7-10 PM)  

Baby Eagle, honest to gosh, I don't get over half of the things you post here. Sorry, I guess it's the generation gap. What does this film have to do with the election?

I live in the Alabama section of PA, keepthefaith. Some here still fly the confederate flag on their garages and put them inside their pick up truck windows right next to the gun racks just above the faux testicles they have installed over their trailer hitches .

I'm glad to hear that there are reasons other than race for not voting for Obama. So far I haven't read any  that convince me that McCain is the better man unless he comes up with a plan to get us out of Iraq.  For some reason I feel as if he likes us being there. I haven't heard about Obama's refusal to salute the flag, etc. Where can I read about that?

.. must be the generation gap Blitz ...  LOL Sorry. 

Then how about something simple I can understand like some links to a poll or two listing Paul's current rankings?

Blitzen, IMO Ron Paul cannot win this election or even come close to doing so. He does have a dedicated following and has raised significant money from contributions but that does not equate to popular support. My  exposure to him was through the Republican debates during the primary when I felt that he often made the most sense of the whole bunch.

Re McCain, I stated this on another thread - but essentially his current positions, IMO, have no resemblance to his real convictions on a whole host of issues. He was opposed to Bush's tax cuts because he felt that the deficit would go out of control and it has. He was in favor of amnesty for illegals  - though he did not call it that - because he felt that it was impossible to deport 12 million illegals even if one wanted to do so. He was opposed to off-shore drilling until gas prices became an issue and he saw a political advantage. 

I fully expect that - if elected - he will agree to a tax increase once the economy recovers because he is a fiscal conservative and he believes that we should pay our way and not have China, Japan and the Middle East funding our deficits. I also believe that he will take the lead on immigration reform and give some sort of amnesty to the illegals already in the US. The Republican base will go nuts but it will not make a difference. I believe that he will get his policies through with Democratic support from the Senate and House

On foreign policy his views are that of the neo-cons who got us into Iraq. I believe he will take military action against Iran and will be much more aggressive with Pakistan which will lead to a conflagaration in that country which already is a nuclear power. It is his neo-con views that bother me more than anything else - other than that I am not concerned if he is elected.

His selection of Palin was political - and it has turned out to be a master-stroke. But we have eight weeks to go before the election and that is a long time when it comes to an election. Just remember that barely two weeks ago things were looking rosy for Obama.

Your description of PA is enlightening and, frankly, an eye-opener for me.