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by sueincc on 17 May 2007 - 23:05
by Oskar1 on 18 May 2007 - 08:05
Howdy,
as mentioned before, there are reasons why we in Germany do not guarantee a pup. Needless to list them again, it has been talked about sooo many times.
What i will add, is, i do not guarantee my pups either, but i am a reasonable man. If problems arise, talk to me (best without any anger or attitude) and i am sure we can figure out something that suits you & me. Just the way grownups should deal with each other. No matter how carefull i choose a breeding, with only animals with the best hip status, it still does not guarantee me that the offspring will be HD free. As said before, pup goes out of the house ........ who guarantees me as a breeder that this pup is taken of, the way it should be ?
Dog1, nice post, could not stop grinnig ;-), Country-Boy....... pretty smart, you hit right on the head, always thought, that thgere is no american having the same thoughts about this stuff as i do. Yup, first come , first served....... prettty easy isn't it ? Regards Ulli Dresbach
by Silbersee on 18 May 2007 - 12:05
Hallo Ulli,
we just discussed that topic on DSH-BIZ. What I learned is that if you do not have a contract excluding yourself from that liability you could be responsible - regardless. Did you know that? German Consumer Proection Law!!!
Viele Grüße, Chris
by Oskar1 on 18 May 2007 - 13:05
Hallo Chris, Die Frage an sich ist ja folgende : Egal, welche Rechte oder Pflichten sich aus den Verbraucherschutzrechteten ableiten lassen : Machen sie Sinn wenn man über ein Lebewesen entscheiden muß ? Natürlich schließe ich auch Verträge mit den, leider Gottes, heute üblichen Phrasen, über die man im nachhinein so vortrefflich streiten kann...erbgebunden oder nicht, erworben oder ererbt.....usw,usw.... Ich leb ja nicht hinterm Mond, was ich aber als viel wichtiger erachte ist die Tatsache das doch der erste Schritt sein sollte, miteinander zu reden und eine Lösung angestrebt werden sollte die allen 3 Seiten gerecht wird : Nämlich Hund - Käufer- Züchter, und zwar in genau der Reihenfolge. Das macht doch einfach mehr Sinn. Ich lese immer gerne Deine Beiträge, und hätte auch nichts gegen einen Mail Austausch. Manchmal tue ich mich im Englischen etwas schwer, aber ich denke doch das ich die mir wichtigen Punkte ganz gut rüber kriege. Mit vielen Grüßen Ulli Dresbach |
by Silbersee on 18 May 2007 - 14:05
Hallo Ulli,
melde Dich mal an bei www.DSH-BIZ.de, denn als Gast kannst Du das Thema nicht lesen.
Leider kann ich Dir zum deutschen Verbraucherschutzgesetz gar nichts sagen, denn ich lebe ja schon seit vielen Jahren in den USA. Aber nachdem ich die Beiträge auf besagtem Forum gelesen habe war ich doch ziemlich geschockt was alles zu beachten ist.
Ich teile Deine Meinung absolut, aber wie Du weißt gibt es auf beiden Seiten extreme Menschen, leider!
Auch ich lese gern Deine Beiträge, obwohl ich hier nicht mehr viel schreibe! Ich schicke Dir auch eine Mail!
LG, Chris
by Blitzen on 18 May 2007 - 15:05
by Shepherd Woman on 19 May 2007 - 11:05
by Nikos on 19 May 2007 - 13:05
why go to Germany to buy a pup when you can get the same here at home....
Peggy, wake up and smell the coffee; why Germany? do you understand?
go to germany or europe if you want a proven dog with certified hips and elbows
n.
by Oskar1 on 19 May 2007 - 17:05
Shepard Woman, anyone can throw money away, unless you dont have any to spare .....please throw it my way !! How in the world can you garantee a living creature ? Do you garantee the kids beeing born ?? My brother in law searched for a birth helper in NY, could not find any because none of these guys were able to afford the insurance premiums ! Where have we come to, and where are we headed ? This is plain simply insane. As a responsible breeder i breed to the highest standarts and with only the healthiest animals i can can, still i can not predict what will be the outcome of my breedings. When nature takes its course, thats where we are headed ! If i could, it should be no problem for me beeing a millionaer, because i would be able to predict the powerball numbers every weekend ! Thank you Blitzen, this is very kind of you....... wow, its nice to see that just beeing reasonable has so many rewards ! Ulli Dresbach |
by p59teitel on 19 May 2007 - 18:05
"Why on earth would anyone want to pay the kind of money we pay for our GSD's with no health guarantee?"
For one thing, it is next to impossible to get a high V or VA-sired pup in America without paying hundreds or even thouands of dollars more than it costs to import from Germany. Case in point: my Orbis vom Kirschental cost 800 Euros plus 500 Euros shipping. With the cost of money transfer, $25 paperwork fee to the shipper etc., his total cost was less than $1,900. The cheapest I've seen from American breeders and brokers for pups out his father was $2,500, without shipping (and the highest was a staggering $4,500).
My general sense is that the price differential for domestic versus import working-lines pups is not as extreme as it is for showlines, so maybe that's a more even situation.
Second, as a lawyer, I can tell you from a professional point of view that many if not all guarantees as drafted are heavily slanted in favor of the breeder, and in most cases it would be a lot easier to defend a breach of contract lawsuit for failure to honor warranties than it would be to succeed. That's not to say that ALL breeders who assume some of the future risks of health problems by charging higher prices are unwilling to honor their promises...but many of the guarantees I've read are less useful to the buyer than used toilet paper.
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