Why do they breed them like this? - Page 4

Funky Munky my previous comment would apply to yours also

Yoo hoo! Working lines pup, fab eh? I rest my case, poor stacking and lots of growing to do!

zacsmum, good conformation is good conformation, regardless of lines. This is a very nice looking pup. If it's yours, congratulations.

Best, Rik

GSDguy08, you could easily have asked your questions without picking a picture of a puppy for an example. Zacsmum, saw this puppy on database with litter mates they are all gorgeous IMO. liz

Rik, I wish this pup were mine! I was merely tyring to make a point to the showline detractors who seem to think that working lines have the whole package as far as conformation? Anyone who isnt very adept at stacking can make a pigs ear out of a silk purse! I for one think both pups are gorgeous, regardless of lines etc, its a matter of personal choice, although some would say otherwise!

Liz, ye have a canny eye!

Aye, that a huv zacsmum!!! liz

That is a nice workingline puppy!  I would love to own either one of these dogs presented here.

Zacsmum, I wonder what these experts here will think now?

Chris

Chris, totally agree i too would love either puppy, and also interested in what the experts have to say, it should be very interesting. liz

Zacsmum, that black puppyis awesome.  I don't believe in stacking GSDs myself, I like to let them walk into it naturally.  But it is obvious to anyone knowledgeable about the GSD standard that this black pup is very correct to the standard for a puppy and worth a great deal if the temperament is good.  A lot of WL top bundessieger profung winners have poor quality confirmation.  Folks overlook this because they don't compete in conformation with these dogs and focus on their terrific working abilities which overshadow everything else, sometime making it difficult for them to be family 24/7 in home pets.  But, there is an exception for a number of top profung GSDs and their owners.  These folks also care very much about conformation and are able to obtain KK1 and V zuchtschau ratings.  And some of these GSDs are top producers for temperament and conformation. 

Take for example V- Ellute Mohnweise (sp?) or V- Amon vom Patriot.  These dog's looks are awesome and they are top producers of male type and very correct working temperament.  And there are other WL dogs that are show dogs too (cross-over dogs that can win in any show).  Of these, those that produce well have tremendous value for the breed.  And there are some in the USA in residence at stud right now. 

Because of the show politics and the cartel nature of the SV it is hard for their progeny to place in ther top ranks above high V.  But for those that care about the breed and want the ideal GSDs these are the dogs to use. Lately I have been most impressed with a lot of the breeding going on in east European countries.  A good portion of these dogs are show quality and tend to have very good working temperament. I think Eurosport has brought in some WL dogs with perfect temperament and with great looks too.  When you get a top placing profung GSD with a V rating in conformation, this is something to take notice of and deserves recognition.  There are folks who post on this forum that have these dogs here in the USA now.  Also impressive are the SL GSDs in the USA who do great bitework and Sch when their owners emphasis is on ring training for show and physical conditioning.  You can bet most of these dogs woyuld be good profung competitors if that was their owners preference, which it isn't.  These dogs too are very worthy to use for breeding. 

Mirasmom, great if you are happy witgh your GSD's looks.  But you ought to realize he is very incorerect structurally and could never pass a breed survey.  Breeding this look does nothing for the breed.

Well guys, think we are mostly in agreement that both the black and the original pup are lovely examples of gangly pups, with shedloads of promise.

I will hold my hands up and admit now that a few years ago, I had a great looking showline boy that I could take in to the show ring and make him look like a complete pile of poo in about ten seconds flat! Luckily I had a good friend that would snatch him off me and do the biz, making him look as he should! I kept trying, but just didnt cut the mustard! I had some great fun though, which was actualy the reason I bought the dog in the first place, and I hope I never lost sight of that, and eventualy under some good , honest judges who could see that the handler was a complete pleb, qualified for the big green carpet at crufts, and even got a few best dog awards, and one best of breed. I can tell you, I thought i had died and gone to heaven when we won BOB!  I never took him to Crufts, I knew I wouldnt have done him justice, but what a feeling it was to have the option. Anyways, Im waffling, wandereing off topic, but i suppose the upshot is that its easy to make a good, well put together dog look extreme and not good if you dont know what you are doing, or dont have a basic knowledge of conformation.