Czech GSD'S ? - Page 6

Just to share an experience here, not to agree or disagree but my first dog is a Czech dog.  She's a Galant daughter and I couldn't ask for a better working companion and home companion.

She has a beautiful on / off switch and even in the heat of bitework, no matter how strongly she is engaged with the healper she has never come 'back up the leash' at me.  She has great drives and is a dog who wants to work but at home she is very gentle with my young son and the cats in the house. 

Honestly, I couldn't have asked for a better first GSD to both get involved in the sport of Schutzhund with and as our family companion as well.  From what I've heard, it might be a Galant trait more than a universal Czech trait but now that I also own a West German bred Working Line dog as well, I'm fairly confident that when the time comes for our next dog I'll go back to the Czech working lines.

after a lot of thinking it seems to me the czech dog of today is a mix of czech, ddr, east and a little west on some ,,to make the dog the total package.you all have very nice dogs.what i don't understand is why is there so much arguing over mixing these lines ?.,when it seems to be going on  and everyone loves these dogs .

interesting to see the different dogs that came up in this discussion.   for the person who thought the czech dogs produce "pin heads', quite honestly a few of the bloodlines do but I don't want to offend anyone by mentioning them.

I owned the original Agar Pohranicni Straze and he is the first dog on the opening page of my website.   Agar PS was one of the last dogs to leave the Pohranicni Straze kennel before it split into the Pohranicni and Policia kennels.  He is also one of the few pure working line dogs that was V rated in conformation.  He was banned from  the SV after one competition.  Not a hander aggressive dog, just decided that he needed to go into "crowd control" after biting the decoy and so much for that.   I have frozen semen on him and expect to have 2 litters in 09.   He produced a highly trainable dog. and amazing nerve. 

I also owned Titus and others.  I  have quite a few dogs on my website that are pure czech if anyone wants to view old czech conformation as I have mostly stayed with that standard, barring a few exceptions.  Dick Bethme, who is closely related to Pascha Ga Ta was one of my favorites.   Nice pictures on my site with James Aiello handling him in competition.

I won't bore anyone with the differences in conformation but there are as many differences as you see German working vs German show lines.  When you look at the old German working line dogs, you see some real similarities to the old Czech lines.  what some of you might find interesting is to talk to someone who IS East German and ask them how their Kor rating preferences differs from the West Germans.  It gives one insight into the DDR dog's temperment.

Enjoy!

Nancy Rhynard     www.westwoodkennels.com

i love ddr dogs ! i never said all czech dogs have pin heads ! your all look very nice.i will do more digging as im by far no expert on the rating thing .i will say you have nice dogs again. i geuss in the wrong hands the dog s to be bred could go amuke as with any not so well thought out breeding.i will stick to the fact that they are not the dog for the faint at heart.

AgarPhranicniStraze1,

thank you.

Can those who are familiar with Czech pedigrees comment on this one.  I know mot of the pedigree but not the Czech dogs.  I just got a 14 month old and love him, what great character and drive.  thanks.....

Mother:  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/458559.html

Father:  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/474328.html

john

Even this dog was bred in CZ or Slovakia I would not consider it a Czech dog. It is 75%  modern west German working lines. Dogs with true Cz Bloodlines are disappearing fast due to the demand for a sportier less suspicious dog. it is a shame too. Here is a pedigree of one of my dogs.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/515190.html

My local police buy Czeck dog's from an importer for 5K each.  They come with full guarentees for life for any health issue.  The police like them because they are healthy, robust, learn fast, calm around people, but very vigilant, strong and agile, medium sized, and are fearless and do great bitework.  So far they are very satisfied with them.  To me they look like the show dogs from the 1950's, blocky heads & short strong muzzles with just enough angulation to do their job well.

Preston, that's exactly how I'd describe my little girl and she's pure Czech lines top and bottom of her pedigree.

I got a mix :) but I am very happy with the outcome.