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by wuzzup on 19 November 2008 - 15:11
don't be silly kitkat you dog is not a hock walker. nor is he a lame brain.
by Wildmoor on 19 November 2008 - 23:11
I always wonder what people mean by the 'original' shepherd,
I know that the first breed survey in the UK wasnt untill 1926 and the average weight of a Male was 26KG height 24in, and that was several decades after the original shepherds, there as always been problems with oversize dogs even in the very early dog show reports pre this breed survey, but no male GSD is now that size! what ever line they are from.
Heres a list of early exhibits with colours where known;
Hannover show 1882 Kirass born 1878 Grey & White, Greif born 1879 White
Neubrandenburg show 1885 Moreau born 1878 yellow-brown
Hanover show 1887
Greif (same dog as above) Foss born 1884 brown-yellow, Russin (daughter of Greif) born 1876 (doesnt state colour)
Hamburg show 1888
Foss and Russin, also Greifa white
Berlin show 1888
Greif (different to above) white & yellow, Franz Fleck black & yellow, Peter red & black
Cassel show 1889
Stummel yellow, Greif II white
Pam
by Wienerau on 20 November 2008 - 00:11
Hello to all.
Stepanitz himself said: "Horand was the beginning of GSD" but I never read him saying: "It´s also the END".
Life always means changes. And it´s in mankind to expend limits/standards. Otherwise todays cars would look the same like in the 1920 th or we still would live on tree´s and wouldn´t even know what a wheel is.
Besides of that Stephanitz e.g. was complaining about the gray dogs (it´s was very "fancy" to have a GSD that looked like a wolf back then). Kind of the same story today when some are complaining about black/red-dogs, others about showline-dogs and others about workingline-dogs or whatever. I don´t understand your problem!
Do what ever you think is right for you and for the GSD (German saying: "Nach bestem Wissen und Gewissen").
Walk your own way, walk it straight, stop bathering about other peoples opinion but please respect other people with different opinons.
Best Regards
Micke
"Jeder macht seins"
by funky munky on 20 November 2008 - 07:11
Wienerau, the most sensible post yet!!!! Totally agree, liz
by badgsd on 20 November 2008 - 09:11
All my GSD's are early.................. never sleep in after 7 am !
by missbeeb on 20 November 2008 - 12:11
Wienerau, You're making sense...
by wuzzup on 20 November 2008 - 15:11
considering we aill know who wienerau is ,it 's hard not to agree.
by Sue B on 20 November 2008 - 17:11
One of the main functions required of the German Shepherd was to guard & protect the sheep in place of the human shepherd. Hence the attributes of alertness, intelligence and courage as well as the instinc to herd (gather) should the sheep be spooked were a necessary requirement. As for the reason 'standard' colour preferences are bi-colour, all blacks, black & tans or sables (note all black-saddled) I was always led to believe this was to ensure the human shepherd was able to distinquish his dog from the sheep, wolf or red fox more easily (hence whites, livers & blues being undesireable).
As for the rest to my mind Wienerau said it all - Stephanitz started with Horand nowhere did he ever say he thought him to be perfect, everything always has room for improvement. Perfection is what we aim for, should we ever achieve our work will be done and we can all pack up and go home. 
Regards
Sue B
by funky munky on 20 November 2008 - 18:11
Good post Sue, WUZZUP, i personally do not care who anyone is,if i agree i say so,if i disagree i will also say so. liz
by wuzzup on 20 November 2008 - 19:11
me too funky munkey ! i just don't like the hock walkers of today...
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