The Early German Shepherd - Page 7

i believe it;s called culling christopher, a nasty word some people do not like.nor do they like to do .i'm sure you are aware of that term and probably practice it your self.there is always a home for a pup.even if it's free.

Can’t give too much away, missbeeb; always thought D’Arcy was a bit of a pain! You confuse though, Liz: on the one hand you tell my posts are overly long and yet accuse me of inconsistency! It’s hard enough to expound stuff in the space/time given – as it is, I mostly omit half of what I think is really necessary! And isn’t unfair and convenient or lazy to accuse others blankly of inconsistency, or whatever else, without specifying details – if only so they may rectify or explain what was meant? So, where was I inconsistent?

Easy enough to confuse exceptional prey drive with manic behavior, Christopher, and we do seem to strike more hyperactive dogs than in the past. Good point there about inbreeding coefficients (why, for a breed like ours, aren’t they compulsory, as part and parcel of every pedigree?) Using normal breeder definition of ‘outcrossing’, and in light of genetic split between WL’s and SL’s and more generally between Continental Wienerau type and others etc, why is it impossible?

We’ve had many threads on inbreeding, kitkat, and they inevitably result in irrational, emotional outbursts. I doubt there’s a geneticist alive who doesn’t agree with points made in above post – to one degree or another anyway. Just a few points then. As explained under ‘why do they breed’ topic, any one dog/stud can only carry one particular allele version, even though from what I’ve read some may literally embrace anything up to a hundred versions in any one normal population. What do you think happens when we all insist on using the same relatively few top studs! 

Then there the question of how strong or diverse the genetic mix is to begin with, and for how long or how many generations we continue to inbreed (breeder distinction between line-breeding and other inbreeding is mere self-serving expediency). The Wienerau dog of today is based on only a small handful of genetically inter-related animals and, correct me if I’m wrong, most working lines may be traced back to only five dogs or so. 

In the wild there exist all sorts of protective measures. Take your deer or horse: any one stag or stallion (as for seals, lions etc, etc,) only reigns for a limited time before being replaced by a younger and stronger animal; with wider population’s genetic diversity never harmed to any noteworthy degree. Through human disturbance or natural events or sharply reduced population numbers, many wild species do presently suffer from chronic and accelerating genetic depletion.

Thanks chicki – don’t agree too much though: you’ll only end up on a certain hard core’s black list! (All those PMs behind the scenes …)

Christopher,  Yeah yeah yeah... bitework, bitework, bitework... yawn, yawn, yawn!

Chisum, Mr D'Arcy... a pain?  Clearly you didn't see him emerge from the lake, it was worth seeing... it really was!

HEY CHRIS,(can I CALL You  CHRIS?)

     I am very aware of the differences in line breeding and inbreeding. I guess I spent thousands on a dog that has MY dogs Lines, because I Don't know!

     And When I look in the mirror, I LOVE THE FACE LOOKING BACK AT ME. I can sleep very well at night toooo, Knowing, I HAVE TOP QUALITY German Shepherds. I take pride in my dogs, and WHAT I PRODUCE.

     NEVER have I been stuck with a puppy, none of my dogs end up in the dog pound, I SEE TO THAT!!! I would gladly take back,buy back ANY dog that came from me. I live on the top of the mt., THERE'S ALWAYS room at the Inn.  NO DOG will ever be refused a warm bed and a full belly by me, whether it be a Shepherd or a Mutt.

     I put up info on the thread, that I find interesting, if your interested, read it, IF NOT, skip it.

Wow I though I would never say that but I am bored of this talk already lol. I stop reading it like 50 replys before lol. hahaha.

Quote: Christopher,  Yeah yeah yeah... bitework, bitework, bitework... yawn, yawn, yawn!

Christopher writes: Your response gives a ton of insight into your mindset. I have not said a thing about bitework in this thread. Yet all you can hear is bitework. I’m writing about working ability! Bitework is only a portion of working ability. Can a dog work if he has a poor temperament? Can he work if he is in poor health?

I also noticed you failed to answer my question about “maniac” dogs. Why? Might it be because they only exist in your fantasies? Is it because you are only regurgitating what you have read on the internet? If they do exist aren’t you doing the GSD community a disservice by not informing us where they are so we can avoid a possible unwarranted attack?

LOL LOL, I hope my fantasies will always stretch further than that!  I'm glad you now have a "ton of insight into my mindset" LOL that's more than I've ever managed.  I guess it takes a man huh? LOL

Suggest you read the link on the Videx website advertised on another thread (sorry, can't remember which one but it's in the top 10-15 today) that should give you a better insight than I ever could. 

 Kitkat wrote: HEY CHRIS,(can I CALL You  CHRIS?)

Christopher writes: Only if I can call you Pickles.

 Kitkat wrote: I am very aware of the differences in line breeding and inbreeding.

Christopher writes: They are the same thing. A distinction without a difference.

Here you go:  http://www.videxgsd.com/SHOW_LINES_WORKING_LINES.htm

Missbee:  Suggest you read the link on the Videx website advertised on another thread (sorry, can't remember which one but it's in the top 10-15 today) that should give you a better insight than I ever could.

So you’re just regurgitating something that you read on the internet not something that you have seen. Don’t you think that if there was a real problem of “maniacal” working line GSDs that you would have seen a few with your own eyes?

As far as information coming from that British jackass Videx goes… If he told me the sky was blue I would have to go outside to check.