HELP with AKC - Page 1

Was hoping maybe someone could shed some light on what has turned into a painful situation.

Long story short I bought GSD from what I thought was a reputtable breeder in August of 07.  Checked references etc...

Turned out she does NOT own the stud she claimed to.  And she was never able to provide AKC papers.   When I would ask she would say dont worry you will have them by the time you get your BH.

Never once mentioning that she did not own the dog infact all along insinuated she did as it was in her possession.

But recently the owner who is a Sheriff in Virginia actually registered the stud with the AKC. She did not tell me I was doing research and started to find things out etc...

Is there a chance I can get my Bitch registered?

Have the contract of sale which indicates that my dog will be registered with the AKC within 1 year. Which in hindsight should have been my first clue.

I cant be bothered with all the bad energy or Karma that is going on with this person. The more research I do the more corrupt and disturbed I find this breeder is.  I will chalk it up to a life lesson that cost me almost 2k.

BUT>>>>>>

Just looking for any insight like can the AKC issues papers without the Stud owners consent on the litter?

THANKS!
Happy New Year!

You will need the Stud owners consent.  Why can't you just contact him if you know he is the Sheriff and where to locate him?  He may not be happy with the breeder who had his dog, might not even know your litter exists, but he should be willing to help you;  you were innocent in this matter.  I would start by calling him today.

3crzygsds,

Thats a big bummer.

The only diffinate thing I know you can do is get an ILP (Indefinite listing privilege) through AKC but I believe if you do that the future pups of your bitch (if your going to breed her) would not be allegeable for AKC registration. So I guess another thing to think about is do you simply want to compete or do you have hopes for breeding her. If you just want to compete i would say forget the breeder ,get your ILP, and go have fun. 

emily

Hmmm... well just to be on the positive side, maybe now that the sheriff has gotten his dog AKC registered the breeder will get the paperwork done so the litter can be registered. If the sire was an import it can take awhile to get the paperwork from another country. I think as long as the Sheriff owned the dog (and signs the litter appl.) at the time of mating it is do-able. It also seems the one year contract was up in Aug. of 2008, so I guess if it were me and she does not fulfill the agreement  on her own now that the stud is AKC registered I would 1) contact again and make every effort to work it out 2) if this did not work, I would contact the owner of the male and find out if he knew his male was used and ask if he would sign the paperwork (you would need her signature as well on the litter appl. too) 3) if none of this worked, I would go directly to the AKC with the contract agreement (seems they have some new thing on registering about anything with AKC papers) 4) lastly you could try to file a claim in Small Claims Court to recoup some of your money. You don't need a lawyer and I think can request up to $3500.00. But even if you win it is a pain to collect it I think. So best to try to work it out with 1-3 suggestions.

The seller and the sheriff would have to both agree and both sign the litter papers,now your dealing with two people.It can be done..Good luck

Someone wrote earlier this year , that AKC has some new rules...If you buy a pup and both parents are registered and the seller fails to give you papers , you contact akc for the proper papers and proceed how they tell you to do...It was indicated that akc will register any pup if both parents are registered and you have a problem with the seller...Dont remember who posted that but maybe some one can shed the light...

Call AKC and ask to speak to a person in the Case Management Department..They will ask you to submit in writing the numbers and the bill of sale and the problem you are having..GO  ahead and get that prepared in writing and get it notorized and ready to fax to them  Them make copies and send by mail , with return receipt...Make copies of all...Akc will get to the problem . May take a while, but you have to submit in writing the problem , in detail , and make copies of all correspondence, contracts, bill of sale , etc and send copies with your letter...

A pain in the butt, but you must do it..Then the breeder will get  hers or his letter of determination and from there you may see some squearming and some attention to getting the papers.,If there was some crookedness going on,,you  have at least reported it to AKC and if my memory serves me, the posting said AKC takes it in their hands and issues you a registration.

If you paid that much for a pup, I would insist, and you have the right , to demand a DNA on your pup , in writing by a certified letter to owner of litter and the male concerned., to prove the father of the pup you bought..I would..I would never sit by and not go the full circle..How do you know that pup is out of that dog she says..,especially now that time has elapsed and the studs owner is not coming forth with papers or a registration in your hand by now...Never buy a pup without seeing registration papers  .

YR

Good suggestions only thing I would clarify is that if you are going to go the ILP route the dog MUST be spayed/neutered.  You have to show paperwork from your vet stating that it was done.  I have gone that route several times with dogs I own and its pretty quick and easy to do you just send in the application, photos of the dogs, proof of neutering and fee, usually you hear back from them in a few weeks.  Just depends on what you want to do!

Amy

The litter was never registered.

Go back to the breeder first.

I agree, call AKC and let them give you advice.

And if what you say is true feel free to give the breeders name in public. 

Good luck with it.

Yikes AMY      Pay over 2000.00 and spay or neuter your pup to get an AKC registration..Id take her pretty little body to court in a minute...Small claims court and if there is some lieing going on , criminal charges can be filed on a breeder that sells a pup without papers if paperwork states it is registerable. Especially if the Sheriff is involved with owning  the stud..Boy, what people get themselves into...UNBELIEVABLE.

FILE CHARGES ON THE BREEDER...I WOULDNT SIT IDLY BY IF I SPENT THAT KIND OF MONEY ON A PUP AND NO PAPERS...NO WAY...GET BUSY AND GET FILED BEFORE A TIME LIMIT RUNS OUT...THE SOONER THE BETTER.

Judges are famous for asking you    WHY DID YOU WAIT SO LONG TO FILE THIS????? So dont be guilty of that...Do it and if the breeder comes forward with the correct papers, she knows you're serious....talk does nothing now a days...Filing charges gets action.

YR

To go through AKC would require she has both parents name and reg.#.I bet she does not have that .AKC does require that information to be passed to the purchaser at the time of the sale, if AKC papers are not given upon receipt of the dog.With out that info.it will be hard to proceed with AKC.No I am not the person this thread is about..This is just my 2 cents..