Need to find a breeder I can trust as an inexperienced semi-newbie - Page 6

"I WILL NOT  HAVE A DOG LIVE  INSIDE  AS MY SIAMESE COME FIRST AND ALWAYS WILL. "

There you have it, problem solved; the siamese cats will protect your home while your GSD serves as a beautiful lawn ornament!  And that was cheaper than going out for a toy poodle!

BTW I think CATS should live outside, especially on a farm!

Once again, no real offence intended, but let's be straight here... you have had several dogs over a period of just 10 years, all, bar one has been rehomed, you ask for advice and get a little touchy when some (me for sure) suggest that you are not the ideal owner for a Shepherd... be realistic, please.  You may have the space, but having a dog of any kind requires much more than that. 

You may need a dog, but it really doesn't sound like you want one.  You've complained about all the breeders you've purchased puppies from, but how honest have you been with them?

You've clearly thought of breeding at one time and yet you admit to having no time to train a single Shepherd?

Honestly?  Take the advice given by another poster... buy a gun... it'll be less of a problem for you in the long run!

Unlike many people here, I am totally honest in my  online postings and get jumped on for being so... Do you wonder why a lot of people stay silent? You do not gain converts to the breed by being nasty ...prospective customers people see who the posters are and anyone with sense will avoid nasty breeders like the plague. As someone told me in  a message ,this forum is like the National Inquirer, and that the best breeders and trainers do not have the time to, nor do they frequently post on this forum, vom domburgerland, leerburg or any other such forum.  .Just because I love my cats does not mean I dislike dogs- that is absurd. An animal lover usually loves animals of all types ,myself included.  But if push came to shove  yes I  would choose my cats over a dog butI   do not want to have to make that choice. Many of you  are either indifferent  to or dislike cats. Not  a good place to come to for advice if I wanted to try to make it work  with both cats and dogs.  As many of you  will never understand why I love my cats so much, I will never understand the need for many of you to make large dogs  live inside ,especially when they were never bred for that. They were originally outdoor sheep herding dogs not indoor companions.

Did someone say "lawn ornament"?......................Go get yourself a Shiloh Lawn Ornament.

A pink flamingo would be more useful tyvm :P~~~

wearesiamese, who has been nasty?  I have had cats for much of my life, along with my dogs.

I don't think anyone is really bothered about your dog living outside, (accommodation provided?) but it sounds like you expect everything from this dog, without any input from yourself.  An Anatolian has been suggested, but they are used to protecting flocks... they would be poor doers with nothing to look after.

IMHO, you shouldn't have a dog... you don't keep any of them, you find an excuse, usually the breeder... and get rid of them... that's pretty shitty IMO.

What does any dog have to protect?  Left outside all day to its' own devices, no training and certainly no understanding... would you protect nothing?

i did not keep those dogs because they had hip dysplasia in early xrays I do not spend /waste$1000-$2500 + for unhealthy dogs which supposedly were guaranteed against hd .I cut my losses pure and simple.And if this is not a business why wouldnt they refund my money or take the puppies back? As for apotential future  fear biter I have kids and will not have an unsafe dog  around them. Don't even give me a hard time for legit reasons ror rehoming dogs. How about caring for human children as much as you do your dogs? Sheesh! I at least didnt drop them off at th shelter or call rescues to dump  them on someone else.Everyone I placed the dogs with knew what they  were getting and that is more than I can say for the crooks who sold me  dogs they could not have sold in person.I also do not beleive for a minute that anyof you have never replaced/rehomed/culled a dog at some point.I  at least tell it how it is... I am not asking for a protection trained dog but you read what you want to apparently.I simply need a dog that will actually alert me to someone coming up the driveway-my sisters toy poodle even does a better job of that when I visit them in california!!!!!

Great Danes:  I am sure there are as many whimpy Great Danes as there are in every other large breed.  I once had a great pyramese that was a really wuss and welcomed stray predatious dogs onto the property for chicken dinners!  My Dane would have back himself up, and indeed, killed a few livestock-eatting strays who decided to stop running and challenge him.  He helped stop the predation by the neighboring places stray dogs who packed up together to kill livestock, and also the coyotes.  He held a neighbor of mine back behind the house when he was trespassing...just out for a walk, but that walk was on our territory adn the dog let him know that was a no-no.  My teenage son went and collected the dog and let the neighbor go on his way-- he never did forgive us.  He liked to play, though was also happy to lay around, he could have done Schutzhund...if you could find a helper who was willing to take the strain on his shoulder and back for a 160 pound dog.  Not a nice thing to do to a good helper :-)  He lived to be 11 years old.  He had an aunt that lived to be 15 or 16 years old...just about unheard of in Great Danes.  His sire was a top show dog out of Chicago, and my dog actually had show points before I got him. 

Great Danes, however,need a lot of affection, and get into trouble as lawn ornaments.  This dog would definately not be for the Siamese-comes-first-always owner.  Veronica

There you go then, a Toy poodle!

You mentioned mild HD in a previous post... Oh!  and a dog that was car sick!  

C'mon wearesiamese, be honest... I'm NOT out to slam you... but a Shepherd is NOT the dog for you.  Is any dog... really?

Just like you may have gotten "touchy" with the cat comments, we GSD lovers got "touchy" to hear that a. you feel dogs should live outside 24/7 and b. the cats would stay and the dogs would go.

I initially was trying to be helpful because I was giving the benefit of the doubt that just maybe you had a string of bad luck with previous dogs and came here to be directed to someone reputable in hopes of finding that "dream dog" BUT then you elaborated on the "dogs outside 24/7" and not doing any training with them so your credibility went out the window at that point.

If you've been wronged by a breeder who sold you a dog with HD and they did not make right by you then shame on them you have a legitimate bitch but on the flip side if that breeder found out their pups were going to live out their lives in an outdoor kennel 24/7 and never got trained, I suppose I would not be so quick to give up another pup.  You have to understand that just as passionate as you are about your cats we are all passionate about our dogs.  How would it make you feel if a cat person bought a kitten from you and tossed it outside to live in a barn, having little human contact???  Would you sell them another cat?  Likely you would advise them that perhaps a GSD would be more suitable for them yes??  With all due respect this is a GSD message board so we will all be partial to dogs, most invest a tremendous amount of time and money to the breed and get sensitive about certain things people do or not do that make the breed get a bad rap.

A well behaved GSD can be the most pleasant companion in the house with your family.  They can also get used to tolerating cats BUT it comes down to the training.  

I don't think it was intended for you to feel "jumped on", but you did come here and state your case so it opened up for a discussion.