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by Sam1427 on 27 January 2009 - 04:01
by ledning on 27 January 2009 - 06:01
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> if all dogs in the pedigree was OFA'ed excellent, you can still get HD on the offspring.
> Yes same for a1 normal. What more can be done?
Checking the statistics for the individual at hand, it's siblings, parents and grandparents is natural thing to do, to see if the percentage of HD-free offspring is good enough for US dogs, checking the ZW for European dogs. You are showing your inexperience very easily by not knowing.
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> by HighDesertGSD on 26 January 2009 - 19:01
> Actually, to me, my girl has great working ability just because she is beautiful:
Oh, you have those "see-through-eyes" that can discover the mental capacity, trainability and working abilities just by looking at the dog and watching it's beauty. Why on earth is it that all the "inexperienced-but-in-their-own-eyes-world-champion-owner/breeders" does see this, but the experienced ones doesn't?
The presumption that you see great working ability just by looking at the dog is crap! To see working abilities you have to work the dog and see how it handles pressure and stress and the shifting in and out of drives and modes. Even better is to do a mentality test of the dog and see how it handles pressure when NOT in drive.
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> by HighDesertGSD on 26 January 2009 - 21:01
> Why is this necessarily not enough? How much work does she have to do to please me or satisfy my desire in pet ownership?
> It seems that people are going around and around on the same point. Why does a dog have to do this and that work?
Once again you show inexperience (which in itself is a temporary state if it was not for your ignorance)!
To see if the dog have what it takes, and being worthy of being bred on, you must work and title the dog so there is a way to compare your dog against the standard an other dogs, of course. Your inexperienced subjective view on your own dog is not good enough for the experienced to relay on, as we all have seen so many times that the inexperienced owner isn't capable to fully see what's in dogs, especially his own dog.
Your dog can be the best dog in the world, but we have only your word for it, which we now have pointed out for you that we don't relay on because of your inexperince. Title your dog, then we can discuss this again.
Good luck!
by kitkat3478 on 27 January 2009 - 13:01
My dog Duke is a very very Beautiful showline dog. Having great looks has taken NOTHING away from him in terms of his mental sharpness. Every bit of his working ability is due to the Excellent breeding program of Tracey Bullinger. This dog has got to be busy, every waking minute. His drive is almost more than one could deal with, if that is not what they were after.
Talk about retreiving, he will do it all day long. If you ain't paying attention to him, he is putting all sorts of toys in your hand, he throws the toys at you.Outside, it does not matter what I throw, or where I throw it, he is getting it. He will leap any 4 foot hurdle, you throw it over.
My mom came in the door last night with a heavy coat and scarf on her head. Se stomped her feet to get the snow off inside the door and he was all over her. He has got the heart of a lion.
He can't walk past the coffee table without looking for something to swipe, with the hope he is getting chased down to get it back. And no other dog s allowed to posses any toy. Outside, the game is on. No matter who goes out the door. If he is out by himself, he is still at it.
I am very lucky to live in the boondocks, surrounded by state land. I can let my dogs out withut having to worry about someone complaining. I believe that anyone with working dogs, would love to have a dog like Duke, with this kind of drive, and desire to work and please(although what some consider work, Duke considers play).
by sueincc on 27 January 2009 - 14:01
KitKat: Your dog is a product of a breeder who pays attention to the working ability of breeding stock, rather than only what the dog looks like trotting in a circle in one direction. BIG difference!
by Gustav on 27 January 2009 - 15:01
Tracy Bullinger is a person that I would buy a dog from if I wanted a showline dog....fabulous breeder!!
by kitkat3478 on 27 January 2009 - 16:01
That is my point. IT IS VERY POSSIBLE to produce dogs that look great, and are willing to work their asses off, and enjoy doing it!
by HighDesertGSD on 27 January 2009 - 18:01
"if you had you would have chapter and verse and pictures of German shepherds doing police work, red cross work under gunfire, military work"
A lot of this work is based on the assumption that dogs are expendable.
As your marvel at its abilities, you should know that the underpinning is that its life is cheaper than human life.
An exception is drug detection dog.
by HighDesertGSD on 27 January 2009 - 18:01
Even in Germany, not all dogs are registered. If a dog is less than fast normal, would it be registered?
So you still cannot be sure about all the offspring of any mating, I tend to think.
It seems to me that there is always a problem, on either side of the pond, of some offspring not reporting.
Not true?
Moreover, how sure can one be that ancestoral link is not a reliable measure. There is no absolute, it is relative. You compare the ancestral link of one dog with the ancestral link of another . Is this not true for human inherited diseases?
What is asked on a doctor form? It asks if your parent and grandparent, and also brothers and sisters, have such and such.
On two groups of subjects, if only parent and grandparent statuses were known, can one make assessment as to which group has the higher chance of getting the disease? I believe the answer is YES. You have one valid touchstone, and you are using the same touchstone for both groups. That there are more touchstones may be a separate additional issue.
A lot of statements do not make general sense.
Another is the prevalents of other genetic diseases in two groups. Genetic diseases are controlled by means of generations of filtering. In the case of HD and ED, there is x-ray of young individuals. This is reliable and there is a momemtum in this filtering, more so in SV than even top breeders in the US at the present time. (The masses in the US is in abject shape) Don't forget the dietary factor in HD and ED as well. Some old timer still believe in calcium supplements to commercial dog food. Which side of the pond is more knowledgeable can also be a factor.
Is there momentum in generations of filtering of other diseases in sv but not among top breeders in the US? Which diseases?
by HighDesertGSD on 27 January 2009 - 19:01
What is the point about any breeder changing to a different line?
A lot of breeders have two or more lines. I think I may very well be one in a couple of years. Both lines have there special features.
Also, SchH line pups fetch more money.
How many American Showline pups sell for $2500 or more?
Compare American Showline pups that sell for at least 60-70% the price of imports when you want quality, in looks and health.
by HighDesertGSD on 27 January 2009 - 21:01
"HighDesert there are very good reasons why we don't put a lot of obedience on a pup or young dog before bite work. "
May be you should enlighten me as to why a dog is trained to bite on a sleeve on a human arm before obedience training.
May be it is a definition of "bite work" that differs. Are you talking about biting on something else?
My 7-week old pups do bite work too, it seems.
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