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Videx

by Videx on 22 January 2009 - 09:01

Having read the posts on another thread by Uglydog and Bancroft, which I consider wholly inappropriate for that particular thread, I will now make strenuous efforts for the introduction of a "CONFORMATION TEST" at every National & International Working Championship Trial. Including the BSP and the FCI World Championship Trials. For as much as working ability is very important in the German Shepherd Breed, CONFORMATION is also extremely important. Our breed is the GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG, it is NOT the Malinois or the Dutch Shepherd Dog or simply a "Working Dog" (without a breed name). 

From 2008, for the WUSV Sieger Shows around the World, the passing of a Schutzdienst was mandatory in order to award a VA Grade in a Working Dog Class for Males & Females.

It is therefore time to introduce a mandatory  "CONFORMATION TEST" as an integral part of all SV & WUSV National Trials (BSP) and all National & International FCI Trials. The scores awarded in the CONFORMATION TEST to be included in the overall total scores for the final result and placings and grading of the Trial.

This is long overdue, and I sincerely believe the introduction of a "CONFORMATION TEST" section, into Working Trials, at the highest level, will very quickly result in substantial improvements in the conformation of Working GSD towards the SV GSD Breed Standard. This in turn will substantially reduce, once and for all, the variance in type and conformation that we see across our German Shepherd Breed. 

I call on every WUSV Club around the World to push and PUSH hard for this proposal to become mandatory, ensuring it is placed on the AGENDA of this years WUSV meeting. I also call on the SV to support this proposal, and the FCI member Kennel Clubs around the World to support the introduction of this proposal. 
YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE!

edited 23/01/2009
I would now accept that my proposal should only be applied to GSD National & International Working Trials....... NOT MIXED BREED TRIALS.

Videx

by Videx on 22 January 2009 - 10:01

I have already received support for this proposal from a few influential people within our GSD breed. I have been asked for my views on its introduction and how points could be allocated for conformation.

I suggest it is introduced in 2010 as a simple recorded conformation grade, without any points, in order to impress the correct conformation standard required. The National Breed Warden for each country, for example in Germany Herr Reinhardt Meyer, or his nominated deputy should fulfil this task. This simple recorded conformation grading should also be done in 2011 and 20012 and 2013.

In the year 2014, POINTS should be awards to each grade, starting with a low points scale for 2014, and raising the points scale progressively over future years until it reaches a satisfactory level of influence on conformation.

I would suggest the following points scale for 2014:
Grade V - 15 points, Grade SG = 10 points, Grade G = 5 points, Grade U = 0 points.
This suggested point's scale could be retained for 3 years, and then increased. It should be routinely monitored.

Kaffirdog

by Kaffirdog on 22 January 2009 - 11:01

Hi David

While I think a conformation grading is a good idea on the grounds that optimum conformation along with correct temperament is a good thing, to allow it to effect a dogs placing in a working test is not realistic.  A conformation grading before entry to the top levels of competition would be sensible as dogs at that level are most likely to be bred, but whatever the grading, the working points are the only ones that can matter in competition. 

Forget the points grading, the standard conformation ratings would be sufficient, allowing people to see which dogs are closest to the standard physically as well as mentally.  It would be interesting to see what grade dogs are most consistently at the top, but getting conformation ratings done by anyone in the show scene would never work since they are far more influenced by fashions in type than working dog people are.

Margaret N-J

by Bob McKown on 22 January 2009 - 11:01


 I,m just a poedunk from Indiana, But I think that that is a good idea I think you should take it a step further all working dog trials should have a conformation test, But here is the rub, Since the SV is the biggest culpret for allowing the polerization of the working,showline situation if the judges can,t interprt the standard at this point how are they going to do it at these mandatory conformation tests? Videx  I came into this thread not reading the posts that have you baseing your thoughts on so I may be way off base here but it sounds like the old conformation versus working. Everyone can agree there is extreme points on both sides but there should be one standard for all german shepherd dogs and 1 judging criteria. When your at your meeting would you PLEASE show as much passion to bring the working test back to a real test and not a sport game? 


snajper69

by snajper69 on 22 January 2009 - 11:01

Great idea Videx, how about one more no dog should be awarded VA if he didn't qualify at least to national level in Sch, PSA or herding lol there go all our VA dog's lol hahahaha after all GSD is a working dog first. But some people like to forget it. I don't mind introducing some conformation into working line dogs, but VA dog's are pathetic representation of the "working" dog, and one more thing how about we stick strickly to the standard all oversized dog's out the window?  All over angulation out of the window? 

Videx

by Videx on 22 January 2009 - 11:01

Kafferdog: For a German Shepherd Dog WORKING TRIALS - it is crucial that we also maintain a high level of our Breed Conformation Standard. This development could see much more use of Working GSD by Show GSD, thus progressively improving both sides towards the single goal, CORRECT CONFORMATION & CORRECT WORKING ABILITY.

Videx

by Videx on 22 January 2009 - 11:01

 snaiper69: now it's you that is being EXTREME.

snajper69

by snajper69 on 22 January 2009 - 11:01

Bob very good point, My original post might be little bit too strong, yes there are a lot of extreme on both side how about trying to eliminate those extreme first, how about changing the working test, no more sport approach to it. How about introducing little bit more pressure in the working ability test, something similar to PSA? How about introducing herding as a requirement on top of SCH? let's make sure that the top rated dog's are actually what they supposed to be, a balance of beauty and working ability.

Videx

by Videx on 22 January 2009 - 11:01

Bob McKown: Quite the opposite Bob, I want unified TOP QUALITY GSD's around the World, developing throughout all our breed all of its fabulous attributes. 

Videx

by Videx on 22 January 2009 - 11:01

snaiper69: an excellent final sentence. 





 


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