Inges vom Rauber Hotzenplotz attacks new owner - Page 13

 Quote: Jeff, I disagree with you too. 

Our shepherd ALWAYS  protected the weaker.  



This is what I was asking about. Shaking a stick and giving a sleeve is not showing protection of the weaker.

I just watched the video.
WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP!!!
That thing with the dog jumping up to get the ball and hang by his teeth pissed me off so bad I was screaming & cussing at the stupid handler on my computer screen. WHY NOT JUST BREAK HIS F*#KING NECK AND GET IT OVER WITH?
Amazing how much effort some dumb-ass people will put into RUIINING a perfectly good dog.

NO. I DON'T care who knows what I think of that BS.
GRRRRRRR....

SS

Quote: That thing with the dog jumping up to get the ball and hang by his teeth pissed me off so bad I was screaming & cussing at the stupid handler on my computer screen.

While I'm not sure I can get behind the exersise its self ............ as I always want the ball to come from me ........ I'm sorry you see this as abuse.   Dogs as most other preditory animals are designed to hang by their teeth.   A little National Geographic time I'm sure would prove my point.   This is not something that is painful to them or abusive.   But like I said ............  the exersise is not something I would have in my program.

Not careing if it hurts the dog or not (lets remove that) What is the point of the dog hanging from the tree? To me it looks ghetto and has no point.  But then back to the injury aspect, I thought myself what if the dog lets go or the guy loses his grip and the dog falls and breaks his leg or fractures his spine? Is this neccesary in training, again what is the point in it and would it be important enough ruining the dogs career over?

Sorry Jeff, I misunderstood you.

That was shown when my husband crawled on me, he always pulled him off, and he'd get upset if we tusseled, same with the kids.  I know that isn't a real life scenario, but this pup I have now, that has over the wall prey drive jumps in and attacks me too, just a different dog.

4pack ........... I totally agree with you.  I don't get the point of this exersise at all.  Looks like an accident waiting to happen to me too.  Prey moves on the ground ........ well for the most part ....... and balls shoud come from people as a reward.  IMO and for what it's worth.

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That was shown when my husband crawled on me, he always pulled him off, and he'd get upset if we tusseled, same with the kids

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. That is some silly pack disorder. LOL

I'm not getting into the rest of this, but...
...Yes, what is the point of that dangle excercize? I agree that it looks "ghetto." I think it's one of those macho things to look impressive, personally.



I've seen that done with pitbulls for the purpose of increasing their jaw strength for springpole and vertical jump competitions that take advantage of the pitbull's natural bite-determination.

Yet pitbull sports and training never use tennis balls on strings. They always used a tire, heavy cloth, leather, or a rope of that allows for a full-mouthed bite. Pits are also lighter than GSDs (at least true pitbull-type dogs, not the "american bully" type). I'm not saying "toss your pitbull" but they're better at landing than most GSDs I've met.

That tennis-ball dangle looks like a great way to have your dog break his teeth, and it appears to put undue stress on the front canines and incisors.

Even pitbull sports-fans will tell you the -best!- and -safest!- way to help a dog develope his jaw strength is to let him have at least his hind-feet on the ground so he works against the rope with his full body, and doesn't run the risk of falling.

Ah, the difference between "looks 'kewl'" and "serves a purpose." *shakes head*

IF the new owner kept Inges in a kennel, barely interacted with him, and never bonded with him then PERHAPS I can forgive him.  But if the owner gave him half a chance to bond, and Inges attacked him merely because he was the off his feet and moving, then I would have to say the dog is pretty damn stupid or disloyal and/or he has been trained badly (in prey) and all he has ever done before this has been to trigger in prey and thoughtlessly attack the faceless, scentless victim in the game.  Inges had not even learned to think about what he was doing.  This IS what wolves often do (attack the weaker) but (1) that is because it is their genetic imperative to follow the new, stronger leader whenever he comes along and (2) our dogs are not wolves -- but are supposed to bond to us as their pack leader even when we need protection from more dominant forces in the outside world.

If we don't actually expect our dogs to protect us even if we get knocked down -- and not, instead, kill us when the big mugger knocks us off our feet, then we expect very, very little, IMO.  We would have to admit that there is no such thing as personal protection, for our dogs could only protect us from little muggers who can't assume dominant positions over us!  They would switch sides like merchant soldiers ready to sell their services to the highest bidder on a moment's notice.

Is my dog really this dumb/disloyal?  Is yours?

I admire your forgiveness for Inges and desire to give him a second chance -- that is, I admire your sympathy, not your opinion of my dog!  Were I to really believe that this is the gold standard in gsd aptitude and character, I would switch breeds now.