Inges vom Rauber Hotzenplotz attacks new owner - Page 2

i wrote--- he has been the owner of this dog for a year already. "Dog engaged a person with no equipment?" yes the owner????? not good in my book. "Humans, on the other hand, can choose to ignore reason or not to understand canine behavior - thus putting themselves at greater risk for injury." totally agree. that i see as the problem. this dog has no respect for him. i just hope it doesn't happen again, because he really thinks it was a mistake on the dogs part. meaning he (the owner) became the bad guy because he moved away from the decoy. they were both standing.

Sounds like a combination of failure to bond, and weak/stupid handler to me. Probably not the fault of the dog. Irco Schloss Birkenstein was a super dog. He was gentle as a lamb, even submissive with a strong handler. I couldn't even feed him, let alone anything else because I don't have a terrifically strong presence.

Love GARD's response. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water yet. Find the dog a handler with a stronger presence that the dog can respect, and thus love. He's only 4 years old. I don't see anything in his pedigree that would suggest unstable temperament, just hardness, strong fighting drive (defense) and a darned good looking dog.
JMHO
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 I agree..How long did he own this dog and did he had time to bond with him..I'm not blaming the dog if this is the case.  My old female Ingrid was like that..You couldn't make to much mistake cause it would end up with a bite..She was serious and very intense..Altought she loved the bitework it wasn't out of prey drive..She was at war and she liked it.  Decoys didn't like her tought LOL

If he is like her..I would take him in a minute!! She was a wonderful dog...hard to work but so fun to live with..

Damn, that's a good looking dog! Sorry if his handler or trainer don't know what they are doing. I didn't have time to look at the ped yesterday. All of you anti bitework people make me want to barf. How about you edumakate yourselves, read a book, get off your ass and actually go to a club or 6. Anybody serious about working dogs, no matter the venue, knows dogs don't make mistakes, people do.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/498283.html

If you wheren't there and didn't see it go down. 
If you don't know the owner, trainer, handler either how can you know anything other than second and third hand information.
Dogs and people both make mistakes thats just life.  
I can't see passing judgement on something I know so little about.
Its just another headline..

the fact that this dog did not try to kill this idiot owner during the year he was with him,certainly showes me that this was a stupid situation which was set up by stupid people.and in the end stupid got punished for it by the wonderful and thinking working line dog.great,and a good looking dog.wow have a nice one.

Makes me ill, DOG people even, talking shit about the dog! I'd much rather him bite his owner than maul some kids face. Some of you make him out to be some crazy ass dog, including the OP. No "bonding" is going to prevent the dog from biting the handler, if he is the one on the ground. It's a dogs natural instinct to hit the guy/dog on the bottom of the pile. Wolves/dogs don't gang up on stronger wolves/dogs and kick them out of the pack, the weakest link goes, not the strongest. It's a training scenario, they need to understand how to train and the dog needs to see it and understand. We have had this thread before about police dogs biting the handler, when he is knocked to the ground by the bad guy. No one wants to believe their dog would do this to them but it's not that your dog doesn't love you, he's acting on 1000's of years of instinct in that split second. Those 1000's of years have to be "worked" out, not bonded out.

Some of you guys live in Lassie fantasy land or something. I'd be pissed if my dog bit me in this guys place but I'd be pissed at my training director for not seeing this coming and taking the proper steps, not my dog.

two moons, i was told by people that WERE THERE!!!!
 
4 pack-- the 2 people OWNER and DECOY were standing up. no one was on the ground.
 
i too believe it was the owners fault, not the dog!!!!!!!!

Ok well we are talking about a sleeve/Sch dog, lemme guess...this was his first time on a suit? 2-5th time, whatever but not enough training to have the dog loose 50 ft away, not handled via leash by the owner and drug in to the bite and targetted where they wanted him. The dog probably never got sent from that far on a suit, if at all. Upon reading your post again..."what the owner says is that it was an accident. the decoy stopped moving and the owner did move.
 so the dog attacked the moving owner." Sounds as if the dog was too deep in prey, targeting what moves and not thinking/looking at who is moving. Dog needs a little more defense, less prey.

Whatever the case, crappy handling/training and if he wants to sell the dog....sounds like he has some takers here. 

YAHOO!!!!!
That would be second hand info wouldn't it.  
My point was I didn't see it and have no clue who did what.
The only problem I see is that the dog didn't hit the bad guy.   My guess is the dog doesn't know what a bad guy is.
Its definately a training issue.

Moons.